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George Faller [00:00:24]:

The mysterious squirting orgasm. I don’t know, Laurie. Is it a real thing? Let’s find out.

Laurie Watson [00:00:32]:

Let’s make it rain.

George Faller [00:00:34]:

Let’s make it rain. Get your umbrellas out.

Laurie Watson [00:00:36]:

Okay. Welcome to foreplay sex therapy. I’m Dr. Laurie Watson, your sex therapist.

George Faller [00:00:44]:

And I’m George Faller, a couple’s therapist.

Laurie Watson [00:00:46]:

We are here to talk about sex.

George Faller [00:00:48]:

Our mission is to help couples talk about sex in ways that incorporate their body, their mind, and their hearts.

Laurie Watson [00:00:56]:

And we have a little bit of fun doing it. Right, G?

George Faller [00:00:59]:

Listen and let’s change some relationships.

Laurie Watson [00:01:02]:

Hey, don’t forget to check out Uberlube.com with the coupon foreplay. It really helps us to support the podcast and keep delivering free content. Thanks so much. So squirting orgasms. This is so fun. So many people are talking about this all the time.

George Faller [00:01:18]:

Dr. Laurie, please educate us, me and our listeners. I have no idea what the heck a squirting orgasm is.

Laurie Watson [00:01:25]:

I looked it up. All the things that people call it, they call it jizzing female ejaculation making it rain or the tsunami of love.

George Faller [00:01:34]:

Tsunami of love?

Laurie Watson [00:01:36]:

Yeah. I mean, I think that basically what happens is it is not actually an orgasm just for the technical information. It is separate from orgasm, but it usually happens about the same time as orgasm for a woman. So I think what men see in porn or what maybe if your partner squirts, what you’re seeing is this kind of really it looks like an ejaculation, but probably an Ejaculation is more focused, kind of like a squirt gun. And a female Ejaculation is more like a rain shower. Yeah, it’s like a sprinkler. Thank you. Exactly. Okay. So what I hear a lot from is, for men, their sense of excitement about it is the visual. It’s like, wow, I can finally see proof of her orgasm where I might not have seen it before. Most female orgasms are dry. Her body might move, she might have contractions internally, but you might not feel that, so you might not know. And if she’s not expressive, you don’t know. So I think this is so exciting because men can see it. It feels like proof. Why do you think men like them?

George Faller [00:02:49]:

I think there is something about visual. Yeah, but is it a better orgasm? Is it like if you squirt? Is it I mean, I think that’s what most men think, that it’s so big and so powerful that it just explodes out of your body. So it must be the ultimate in orgasms.

Laurie Watson [00:03:08]:

Yeah, and I can see where that comes from, basically. No, it’s not a bigger orgasm. It’s a different orgasm. And where does that liquid come from? It does come from the bladder, but it comes through. There’s another tiny little structure on both sides of the vagina called the Skeen’s gland. This is geeking out about anatomy and that produces something very similar to it’s, like a milky white substance. So it is mixed in with the urine and comes out. And there’s a lot of controversy about this, but basically in a woman, the only place for that amount of liquid that you would see is the bladder. So is it pee? Does it smell? No, because actually when urine comes out in the beginning, urine doesn’t actually smell that much in the beginning. It’s only after it sat there for a little bit that it would smell. So you’re not going to smell anything. And urine, for the record, is sterile. So that means you can literally drink it. You know, those survivals maybe this is getting gross, but it is sterile.

George Faller [00:04:20]:

Really crushing my squirt. Now with this drinking of stuff here. There are a lot of men listed in that. It’s got these fantasies around this.

Laurie Watson [00:04:30]:

Okay, we don’t want to crush the.

George Faller [00:04:31]:

We don’t want to crush the fantasies.

Laurie Watson [00:04:33]:

Okay.

George Faller [00:04:34]:

Is it thinking about plane crashes here?

Laurie Watson [00:04:36]:

Plane crashes? What’s plane crashes?

George Faller [00:04:38]:

Well, that’s where you got to survive and eat bodies and drink pain.

Laurie Watson [00:04:41]:

Oh, right, all that stuff. Yeah, all that survivors end of the world. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So it does probably come from urine with a little bit of the milky white substance from the skeens gland. And does it feel different? So it doesn’t actually happen at the moment of orgasm? Orgasm is about contractions. For a woman. This is sort of coming at the same time. It’s basically a feeling of letting go and force. I mean, I think the forcefulness of going to the bathroom or whatever, I mean, it’s kind of the same sense. There’s many things that happen down in that playground that are fun and this can be really one fun thing that happens.

George Faller [00:05:26]:

Well, it sounds like it would bring more to your orgasm if it’s coming at the same time. You already have an orgasm with contractions and now all of a sudden you got this letting go pushing energy on top of it. It’s like a double of fun.

Laurie Watson [00:05:39]:

Yeah. And I think some women do say they really like it. So why do women like it? Because like you said, it’s a sense of letting go. But I guess the research kind of demos that the rating of the power of it isn’t any different than the dry orgasm. So what I want to say about that, why that’s important, is if you’re a man and you’re wanting to make it better for her and you’re thinking this will make it better, let’s keep trying. Let’s keep trying. Why are you not doing this? And I have a lot of couples who come in and the man says, I want her to squirt. Can you help her squirt? And I say, sure, and I can tell you how to do that. But if she doesn’t squirt, it’s not necessarily bad for her. It’s not necessarily worse for her. She could have fabulous killer orgasms just the way they are. If you want the visual, you might be able to make this happen, but for some women, you can’t.

George Faller [00:06:33]:

So what percentage of women can squirt?

Laurie Watson [00:06:37]:

I have no fucking idea.

George Faller [00:06:39]:

Okay, but would you say that number is low?

Laurie Watson [00:06:42]:

Yes. Okay, yeah, it’s kind of low. And I would say that women who lose bladder control, maybe after having children or menopause or whatever, ironically, the very first time this came to my attention was, like, 20 years ago. And I had a postmenopausal woman who said, I go to the bathroom when I orgasm, and I’m like, what do you mean? And she goes, well, it’s like a cup of liquid comes out of me. I’m like, okay. And she was terribly embarrassed about this. She thought this was a failure. And I had already known about female ejaculation at that point, and I said, you know what, girl? You are in vogue. There’s, like, starting to be a ton of magazine articles about how to get her to squirt, so you should be proud that you’re doing this. And she’s like, I’m not proud. I’m 45, and I don’t like this. But this was 20 years ago. Maybe today she’s, like, all about it and excited. So sometimes, yeah, I mean, letting go basically relaxing your pelvic floor is part of it.

George Faller [00:07:39]:

So when you say you can help women or couples do this with each other, what is it that you would do?

Laurie Watson [00:07:47]:

Okay, so a lot of G spot stimulation. The G spot is right below the bladder. So after maybe she’s somewhat aroused already, and doing a lot of G spot stimulation is one way that kind of can help her reach orgasm. Reach an orgasm that’s slightly more internal and basically encouraging her to let go might be one way to do it.

George Faller [00:08:11]:

So you’re more likely to squirt through the G spot stimulation than clitoral stimulation?

Laurie Watson [00:08:17]:

Yes, absolutely. And so that’s kind of what happens. And there’s a lot of little training classes and stuff online that you can buy. You can say, okay, I want to make her squirt, or I want to learn how to squirt. And there’s all kinds of things that you can buy and how to do it. And basically what it’s demonstrating is G spot stimulation. So again, thinking about the G spot, it’s about middle finger in three fourths of a man’s middle finger, depending on his finger size, his finger length, which is no correlation, apparently not the size of the finger either. Right, Laurie? No correlation to any other part. And then if she’s on her back, it’s obviously toward her belly button, toward her bladder, and it’s kind of a soft but firm motion that stimulates that area. And some men say they can feel the tissue getting aroused with basically filling with blood. It becomes slightly more firm. A lot of men say they can’t feel anything untouched. They don’t know where they’re at.

George Faller [00:09:20]:

Right?

Laurie Watson [00:09:20]:

And a woman, again, if it feels like that makes me want to go pee and is uncomfortable, it is the right place, the wrong time. So as you get more aroused, that can feel very sexually exciting. And I would say for some women, g spot stimulation is a really deep way to have an orgasm. That’s why they can also have an orgasm with sexual intercourse. Usually women who respond to G spot stimulation often have more orgasms through sexual intercourse because the penis is another way that stimulates the G spot internally. Does that make sense?

George Faller [00:09:54]:

It does. But if you have a difficult time with G spot orgasm and you pretty much only orgasm through clitoral stimulation, then squirting is going to be a harder thing to do.

Laurie Watson [00:10:06]:

I don’t think anybody’s ever delineated it that way, but I like to be the first Lord, I think. Yeah, it probably would be more difficult. I don’t know that it’s impossible, though, to learn how to do this, but a lot of women go, I don’t really care to learn how to do this. I like the way it is just fine. And again, it’s her call. But I think sexual pursuers, we want variety. We want to try fun things. We want to see what works, what our body? What are the limits our body can do? So it’s very exciting to think about trying something new. And I get that too. I just see so many couples in conflict about this. He wants her to she doesn’t, she doesn’t care. It doesn’t feel all that good to be stimulated on her G spot over and over. And one of the things I hear from women is that when a man is trying to make a woman climax or squirt or whatever, he’s thinking faster, harder, more. And if you’re a woman, your body doesn’t really respond all that well to faster, harder, more. Sometimes it’s slower, softer, and there’s something else that needs to come along with it, which is kind of a sense of eroticism. So when it becomes mechanical and he’s just like going at it, she’s lost. It’s no longer. Kind of a sense of connection and feeling good. So this is really spicy dicey stuff here, George. I mean, people got to be careful. I want to make sure that we’re not setting people up to have the conflict that I see in my office.

George Faller [00:11:51]:

Right. I mean, it makes sense to me that the woman needs to drive this. If it’s something that she wants to do, that’s really cool because she’s looking to do something different and she’s wanting her partner’s help in doing that and they’re like united in that mission. I think if the man is trying to impose this, that becomes a lot more trickier where the woman isn’t really sure she even wants it or how it’s going to happen or what it’s going to feel like. And there’s a lot that you’re going to need to communicate with your partner to pull this off. So I think both people got to be on the same page.

Laurie Watson [00:12:27]:

Absolutely. Let’s come back and talk a little bit more about squirting.

George Faller [00:12:31]:

All right, Laurie, how can a woman have a better orgasm?

Laurie Watson [00:12:40]:

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George Faller [00:13:54]:

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Laurie Watson [00:14:00]:

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George Faller [00:14:48]:

So it’s beautiful, resource, good stuff, highly recommend it. Check it out.

Laurie Watson [00:14:53]:

That’s buildingalastingconnection.com couple connection system. So I’ve had a lot of arguments with women and with other sex therapists. A lot of sex therapists say, oh, it’s not urine, it’s made on the spot. But I’ve also talked with doctors and I’ve done the research and it doesn’t matter, I guess, in my opinion. And again, sex is messy. I think sex on your period is great. I think sex if you squirt or if you don’t. Squirt is great. Sex is great, and it’s damn messy. Ejaculation from a man inside you. It’s messy or on top of you or wherever. I mean, sex is messy, and that’s kind of half the fun if you can get used to different tastes, smells, textures, all of that. I think that anxiety often plays a role here in stopping women from squirting, because they’re like, I don’t want to make a mess. It’s like, okay, just put a damn towel down. Maybe try something fun.

George Faller [00:15:55]:

But it is okay if sex is working the way you’re doing it, and this stretches you out of your comfort level. If you don’t want to make a mess and it feels like peeing, I mean, that’s okay, too. You don’t have to try to squirt if you don’t want to try to squirt. But again, I love Lori’s openness and knowledge around this area. For her, it’s all good. So if you find yourself kind of interested in that, why not do some exploration?

Laurie Watson [00:16:23]:

Yeah, I mean, exploration is fun, but again, I think some women can’t and don’t, and that’s totally fine. And I don’t think it’s as elective as you see in porn. You can turn that on, and you can turn that off, and somehow or another, there should be disappointment over not being able to do this. It’s like, no, I just really want people to feel safe here. It’s like, if you do squirt, you can squirt. You want to try to squirt? Great. Go for it. Drink a cup of water before you have sex. Actually, I think women, for the record, George, should drink a cup of water every time they have sex before they have sex.

George Faller [00:17:08]:

So if you want to squirt and you have to go to bathroom before sex, should you not go to the bathroom?

Laurie Watson [00:17:15]:

I heard a woman talk about this in session who said, I really like that feeling of having to go to the bathroom. Like, that urgency and then being stimulated, because it’s like, all of it feels urgent down there. But another woman said, that is freaking crazy. That would hurt. I would be distracted. I would never be able to climax or never be able to be aroused. I don’t know. Do men feel that, too? Like, do they got to go to the bathroom first before they have sex? Right. Okay.

George Faller [00:17:49]:

You don’t want a distraction. If you got to go to the bathroom, get that out of the way. Make sure it doesn’t mess with anything. But it’s so fun. How many couples have ever had a conversation around urinating and having sex?

Laurie Watson [00:18:03]:

Waterworks, George? A lot of people have conversations about that.

George Faller [00:18:06]:

All right. I mean, I guess it goes both ways with men. Maybe some men want to be urinated on. Other men want no part of that. Right. And again, there’s so much room for your own idiosyncratic likes and dislikes. Here.

Laurie Watson [00:18:24]:

Yeah. And we’re going to get a lot of pushback on that, because I think most people think of squirting as very different than urinating urinating or anything like that. And I would encourage people not to even combine these in the same thought. This is just a fun thing to try. I would think if you were going to try squirting, there would be some steps right. That would have to happen. First one, because I think for men, the visual is so exciting, you’re going to have to feel comfortable with him looking at you and watching you while he touches you. And for some women, they’ve never been watched while they’re touched at the same time, and so that feels anxiety producing. It’s like, oh, do I really want him looking at me while he’s down there? And that’s true. They like oral sex in the dark. They like to be touched in the dark. They don’t have a sense of integration of their genitals. And this on top of it. Are you kidding me? So that would be just step one. Like, can you get really comfortable? And maybe that’s what you do in the beginning, maybe as a man, you touch your partner and watch her. Maybe it’s first by candlelight, maybe then it’s in the morning and you’re watching her vulva, which I think is a great informative adventure for a man to watch, the way a woman’s vulva changes as she gets aroused. And I think it’s a great teaching thing for him to learn this, but a lot of women are uncomfortable with that, and some of it is genital self image. They don’t think they look right, they don’t think they look like how they ought to look. This lady is too long. I’m not waxed perfectly right now, or I never wax, or My husband likes women wax. There’s so many things that women get hung up on here in terms of being watched and seen, their genital scene. So that could be step one. I think step two is, do you really know where the G spot is, either one of you? So I would say finding that would be step two. And again, that has to be found with good lubrication. That’s not something you do at the beginning of love making. Like, lay down, let me find your G spot. Right, g spot.

George Faller [00:20:37]:

G spot. When both people don’t know where it is, you wonder why we get into trouble.

Laurie Watson [00:20:43]:

Yes. So, I mean, obviously it’s after making love, and again, for most people, especially women, their inhibition lowers once they’re aroused. So if you’re going to try this, you’re going to have to be doing it while you’re making love.

George Faller [00:21:00]:

Such good mean, because again, men are so fast out of the know, they arouse, so know they want to try the newest things before the women’s body is even warmed up. So, again, I just want to highlight what Lori’s saying. It’s like after there’s some success and arousal, then it’s a lot easy to stretch and kind of try new things.

Laurie Watson [00:21:21]:

The last thing I want to say is you want to protect your female partner if this is something you’re interested in and she’s agreed and maybe she’s saying, okay, it’s not something I need or want, but I’m willing to try that. Sure, let’s do that. You want to protect her if it doesn’t work because it’s not a failure.

George Faller [00:21:40]:

Right.

Laurie Watson [00:21:41]:

It’s like maybe her body just doesn’t do this. Why would your body not do that? And let me explain that physiologically is that just like the male penis, when he gets aroused, there’s a valve that shuts off urine so that the only thing that’s going to come through his penis is semen. It’s a valve. It shuts off the urine from coming through. So when he’s erect, he can’t pee. I guess what I imagine when a man has a heart on in the morning, has to go to the bathroom, he kind of has to relax because that valve has to open again. Same thing for a woman. She has a valve as well. So getting that valve to relax so that she can squirt at the same time, she might have to kind of push a little bit to push past that valve to let this happen. And as she’s orgasming, or as she’s very close to orgasming, kind of having a bit of a push inside is how she would do it. Does that make sense?

George Faller [00:22:44]:

It does. So how would a woman describe it who can squirt and enjoying that? What would it feel like? How would they describe it?

Laurie Watson [00:22:58]:

Yeah, so women talk about release primarily like this is letting go. And again, we have musculature in our pelvic floor, so they’re kind of letting go of anything that holds back.

George Faller [00:23:16]:

But how does it integrate with the orgasm, which is the contractions, this letting go?

Laurie Watson [00:23:21]:

So to have a better orgasm period, you kind of have to let go of your pelvic floor. So when you’re being aroused as a woman, it’s like some of it is you create your own tension through kind of clenching of your pelvic floor. But as you enter orgasm, releasing that, releasing your anus, your vagina, like letting that go actually allows the orgasm to be a little bit bigger. And some women don’t do that and they certainly don’t necessarily do that consciously. For many of us, orgasm is just unconscious. We’re not thinking about it, we’re just enjoying it happening. But I think to squirt, just wish.

George Faller [00:24:01]:

I was a woman right now, I could practice. It sounds so cool what you’re saying. Just relax your pelvis floor. Right. I’m all about it. Let’s do it.

Laurie Watson [00:24:09]:

Keep going too. To have a better orgasm. George, think about relaxing your pelvic floor. I mean, it actually can. You know, this is one of the reasons that men have problems with ejaculation and how they can make it bigger too, is learning to kind of men have kegel muscles, right. They can squeeze off instead of like if you have to go to the bathroom really bad and you don’t want to, you squeeze your kegel muscle because it holds back the urine. But opening that as a man can also help orgasm. So you can practice too, buddy.

George Faller [00:24:41]:

Pelvis floor. Here we go.

Laurie Watson [00:24:44]:

So, yeah, I think practicing, opening up, letting go. And I think for a woman, she’s got to have a little bit of push. Like it’s passed open into push. So those of us who know, I think for a woman think about this. This is way to think about it. If you want to try this after you make love, your valves are closed too, so it’s very hard. You might have to go to the bathroom, but you can’t pee because the valve is closed. You’re so aroused. All of that is kind of shutting down urination. And so you might have to sit on the toilet for a while. Eventually you might have to push a little bit so that the urine comes out because even though you’re aroused and it’s kind of being stopped, you have to go pee. So it’s sort of that same thing. You have to kind of push past it.

George Faller [00:25:35]:

Okay.

Laurie Watson [00:25:36]:

How does it feel? And that feeling is good. Like exciting good. The one I hear the most is I feel total release.

George Faller [00:25:49]:

Okay.

Laurie Watson [00:25:50]:

George is contemplating this.

George Faller [00:25:52]:

Well, I’m trying to think, wouldn’t an orgasm feel like a yes?

Laurie Watson [00:25:56]:

Yes. Absolutely.

George Faller [00:25:59]:

So it’s just like a release plus.

Laurie Watson [00:26:02]:

Yeah. I don’t think for some women there’s the plus. I think orgasm can be a pretty darn big plus.

George Faller [00:26:09]:

Yeah. Well, again, something to talk about, something for a couple to sit down and figure out what they want to do together. It’s just something else, right. That a lot of couples don’t even realize is a possibility that this is something that you can do. It’s not a mystery that you could touch certain spots and you could do certain things. And if you’re in rhythm with each other, this is possible. And maybe you love it and maybe you don’t like it, but hey.

Laurie Watson [00:26:36]:

And I would also say maybe it’s not possible. Like for some women, not possible. And we don’t want to set women up to be a disappointment or to themselves or to their partners because they don’t do this.

George Faller [00:26:50]:

And it’s okay for men too, to not want this or whatever. This is a conversation. To each their own. Each their own. Figure it out.

Laurie Watson [00:27:00]:

George is going to go home and practice.

George Faller [00:27:03]:

I’m going to practice my pelvic floor work. I didn’t know I had pelvic floor work to do. But this is what you keep learning.

Laurie Watson [00:27:12]:

Absolutely.

George Faller [00:27:14]:

And all you sexual pursuers out there, let’s kind of protect your partner. Protect your partner. Let’s not try to push for the squirting. It’s cool if it’s to encourage, but.

Laurie Watson [00:27:25]:

Yeah, if your partner is not into it, no big deal. Is there anything that could substitute, you think, for the visual, for a man? If his partner doesn’t squirt? I would think just the auditory. Right. Could she let go? Could she moan? Could she sigh? Could she scream? Say yes. Say, oh, my God. Something that could help?

George Faller [00:27:48]:

Works that works. Communicating works.

Laurie Watson [00:27:51]:

Communicating works.

George Faller [00:27:52]:

Communicate visually.

Laurie Watson [00:27:55]:

I think we’re done here.

George Faller [00:27:56]:

We’re done here.

Laurie Watson [00:27:57]:

Thanks.

George Faller [00:27:57]:

We’re done with the squirting.

Laurie Watson [00:27:59]:

Done with the squirting. Thanks for listening.

George Faller [00:28:01]:

Keep it hot, y’all.

Laurie Watson [00:28:03]:

Okay, so tell us about your cutting edge training that you’re doing on success and vulnerability.

George Faller [00:28:09]:

Laurie we just keep pushing it. Coming up with a new module on the playbook of a pursuer. Playbook of a withdrawal. Really practical, moment by moment moves of what a therapist can use. We’re so focused on what’s happening in session enough. There’s talk about theories and these global things. I think most therapists are looking for, what do I do in this moment? Give me a tool, George. So that’s what we’re trying to do.

Laurie Watson [00:28:35]:

That’s awesome. I am so glad you guys are doing this work. I think it helps us be organized to see you do it. You do demos, you do explanations. Teaching, it really is interactive, and I think that so many trainings that we sit through don’t give us an opportunity for that. So what you’re doing is really important.

George Faller [00:28:55]:

No, we try to emphasize, to teach it, show it, do it model of learning. You need to have some ideas, so we try to teach those, and then we try to show what it looks like implementing those ideas. But most importantly, you now got to practice it. That’s how they become yours. And that’s what we want our listeners and watchers to do, is become their own moves.

Laurie Watson [00:29:13]:

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