Joe Davis – Announcer [00:00:00]:

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Laurie Watson [00:00:02]:

We talk about this a lot, g and we argue about this privately, as well, that a man wants a woman who wants it for herself. You know, he wants the goose that lays the golden egg, not just sex. Right. He wants the woman who has a sexuality and aliveness inside, which absolutely, I understand that. But I also want to argue with you a little bit on this episode about what I understand how women are wired and how that might not be wanting it, maybe in a spontaneous way might not be where we need to go here.

George Faller [00:00:37]:

Bring it on, Laurie. I’m ready for a fight. Let’s do it.

Laurie Watson [00:00:43]:

Welcome to foreplay sex therapy. I’m Dr. Laurie Watson, your sex therapist.

George Faller [00:00:48]:

And I’m George Faller, your couple’s therapist.

Laurie Watson [00:00:50]:

We are here to talk about sex.

George Faller [00:00:52]:

Our mission is to help couples talk about sex in ways that incorporate their body, their mind, and their hearts, and.

Laurie Watson [00:01:01]:

We have a little bit of fun doing it right.

George Faller [00:01:02]:

G listen and let’s change some relationships. So excited. Laurie. Another in person training. Philadelphia unleashing the power of sex and EFT for therapists. October 4 and October 5. This is one of our favorite trainings to do. It’s such a need out there to empower therapists, to keep their focus better in session and know how to help couples facilitate these bonding conversation through sex. Most of us don’t grow up in families talking about this stuff, so get some of the tools that you need. Have some fun. Engage with other therapists. It’s great to be back in person.

Laurie Watson [00:01:40]:

Oh, yes. It is so great to be in person. We had so much fun in our last in person training. I mean, people actually laugh at our jokes. And I got to say, some of what we’re doing, I think it’s pretty cutting edge. We’re working on stage one and stage two. For those of you who are therapists and EFT, you’ll get what we’re talking about. But even if you’re not an EFT therapist, there’s a lot here that you can learn about how to talk with couples about sex and how to become more expert at it.

George Faller [00:02:07]:

And if you’re a listener and you do have a therapist and your therapist doesn’t know about EFT, tell them, you know what? I think you should check this training out. I guarantee they’ll come out of that training with some new tools, which is that’s what we’re in the business of, right? Creating change with new tools.

Laurie Watson [00:02:22]:

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George Faller [00:02:56]:

Yeah. I do believe it’s an end bolt scenario. A guy wants a woman to want to have sex for herself that she’s kind of turned on. She’s in charge of her own sexuality. Of course a guy wants to be attracted, the woman finds him attractive. So I think it’s both. You want it for yourself and you really want your partner. I think that gives the highest levels of engagement. I don’t think men and women are that different. That’s the ideal setting. You know, your partner wants you and you want to have sex too. I mean, that, to me, gives you so much to work with.

Laurie Watson [00:03:27]:

Yeah. So you’re saying two things. One, you want a woman who or men maybe want a woman who wants sex, like has her own hunger for sex, but also specifically wants him. And that is ideal.

George Faller [00:03:43]:

I think that doesn’t that sound great?

Laurie Watson [00:03:47]:

It does sound great. It sounds great on the counterpoint too. A man who wants sex for himself and wants her.

George Faller [00:03:53]:

I guess we’re not arguing here. We’re in an agreement. That was easy.

Laurie Watson [00:03:57]:

I guess when I hear you say that, what comes up to me in my mind is this sense that women so seldom, it seems like, have that initiating desire they are traditionally, and the research demonstrates more than 50% of women have receptive desires. So they need to be queued. They need to be triggered for their brain to click over, to say, okay, now it’s sexy time. But they don’t necessarily go through their day wanting it for themselves. And I’m afraid that if we set that for a target in our podcast that that’s what we want to do is we want to turn all women into initiating pursuers. Women are going to feel frustrated. It’s not going to match what the research says about women. And their male partners are going to have this growing expectation. They’re like, yeah, I want you to want it for yourself, and I want you to want me too. And we’re going to forget about sort of the more responsive nature of most women.

George Faller [00:05:03]:

I totally appreciate that. And it’s like when we work with the emotional withdrawers, the goal in getting them to reengage is not to turn them into pursuers.

Laurie Watson [00:05:13]:

Right.

George Faller [00:05:13]:

It’s about them being more flexible. So to me, it feels the same thing with a sexual withdrawal. If you’re more receptive, that’s great. That’s just the way God made you cool. But when you start to understand how much your partner appreciates it, when you do initiate or when you do engage for yourself to maximize those moments when it does happen. So maybe you are receptive and maybe 20 minutes in, you’re just warming up. But when you get to a place where you do want it, how do you express that more directly? Because that’s your partner’s love language. Or maybe you stretch yourself afterwards and then you talk about something instead of just kind of letting it blow over because your partner loves the post sex breakdown. Right. You could care less about it because, again, it’s not that relevant to you. But I think when we learn our partner’s love language and we can engage more in it, it just gives so much more to work with as partners. So I hear you. We’re not trying to send a message, trying to turn these receptive women into these initiatives, because that’s just not being true to themselves. And this is all about being authentic, and it’s also helping the males really appreciate the receptivity. It’s so important to it always blows my mind what it must be like to not have that drive and just hope that things are going to work. I mean, that would just freak the hell out of me as a man. So to know that that’s happening, I love that when I’m balanced and not triggered.

Laurie Watson [00:06:53]:

Yeah. And you’ve said some important things, that the engagement and her reassurance when she is turned on could be verbal. When it kicks in and she feels desire, she could express that more loudly.

George Faller [00:07:10]:

I like that. That’s exactly right. If you could just focus on those moments, it kicks in. That’s all it would take to kind of make the partner of the Ed and feel like, oh, you want this too, right? That feels so good.

Laurie Watson [00:07:24]:

Yeah. I think it’s unfair, potentially, that men, in my experience, are probably going to need to initiate more and accept that as their responsibility in a heterosexual relationship. That because they have a biological drive. I mean, they have testosterone that triggers their body. Their body is triggered regularly. And as a woman, your body is not triggered. I mean, hardly at all. Right. I’m a sexual pursuer, and I know that to be true. And I’ve told you before, I’ve tracked my testosterone, so I know the relative levels of what it feels like in a female body. And it’s so subjective. Who knows if this is what other women feel? But I would say that my sense of wanting sex doesn’t really come from the body. Has never come from the body.

George Faller [00:08:20]:

Would you think that most female sex therapists are sexual pursuers?

Laurie Watson [00:08:25]:

No.

George Faller [00:08:27]:

Okay.

Laurie Watson [00:08:28]:

No. I have, like, six girlfriends who are sex therapists, and they’re not sexual pursuers. They’re sexual withdrawals. That’s the crazy thing. They’re in it, I think, in the field to help with this dynamic from the other perspective of like, no, I want to normalize for couples what it feels like. I mean, I think I’m kind of different than that. It’s like, I know what it feels like to want sex as a female. And I think overall, I identify with the sexual pursuer and we do not talk enough about it, in my opinion, about female sexual pursuers. Because 25% of my practice is women who are sexual pursuers who are married to usually men who don’t want it and have all the excuses and all the stuff and all the avoidance of intimacy. Not just because they have ed, there’s other things that are coming up where they avoid intimacy. So that may whole nother topic perhaps, but what was your point about asking.

George Faller [00:09:34]:

Our sex therapists here? When you say even when you’re a female pursuer, it’s not driven by your body, it’s driven by your mind, it’s driven by your prioritizing and kind of engaging so much your life force in this topic. So again, I would imagine if you’re doing a podcast on sex a lot and your brain is thinking about it, it’s more front and center, it would put you more in that role.

Laurie Watson [00:10:01]:

No, I don’t really think it’s because of my work. I think it’s the self that informs my work. I did this because of what I feel on the inside. It’s not the other way around. It’s not like I get triggered and cued because I’m talking about sex all the time and then I want sex all the time. It’s really not that. It’s really about I feel sex as sort of the deepest form of connection, love and it’s the highlight of my life. I said to my husband once, he sent me a sexy text which was so fun and I brought it up as like the highlight of my week. He’s like, oh, I didn’t really think it would be the highlight. I’m like, how would you not know this was the highlight of my week. It was amazing to me that he didn’t get that that made everything that made the difference of my whole week. It was just one little text.

George Faller [00:11:06]:

Well, because of that you can give a gift to so many of our listeners, right, to be female and to love sex. And you often say that that most women do love sex, it’s just there’s a lot of layers covering that up or it’s harder to access those long.

Laurie Watson [00:11:26]:

I think so, and I think that it’s not fair that men have to initiate. But I would say if you’re a woman and you’re in a relationship where you’re committed to a sexual relationship, there’s also a lot of difficulty in accessing desire underneath all those layers, the cultural layer that says you’re a bad girl if you want it. There’s a lot of messages and men get messages too, I think, but a lot of men get more permission to be sexual creatures than women get from their parents.

George Faller [00:12:05]:

And you have testosterone, which helps, and.

Laurie Watson [00:12:08]:

You have testosterone and so you’re kind of like to find the erotic core and to develop that. There’s not many messages that say that that is a work that you’ll need to do well.

George Faller [00:12:20]:

And that’s why I always are on this side of the argument that if you’re a woman and you’re willing to do the work, you’re going to be okay. It’s the intentionality that says I don’t have all these other driving factors, so I have to figure out my driving factor. Every woman I’ve worked with that goes down that road, they’re fine sexually. It’s just most women, they can’t find their motivation to sustain that kind of intentional work. But I hear what you’re saying. It’s not enough to do your own. You need a partner who’s going to kind of tap into your biology. You need that male to initiate in a confident way. And I think after break, we can talk about it’s hard for men who get rejected to continue to be that confident. Like, if you’re my partner, you want to know I’m into you, well, I’m into you. But I’m very hesitant on how I express that because they’ve been rejected so many times. But then the more I’m hesitant, the more you don’t get turned on because it’s like, yeah, baby, what do you think tonight? You want to kind of it’s not really kind of what it’s going to prime your body in such a great way. So those two things have to happen, right? You have to kind of do your own work, and you need a partner who’s going to continue to hold on to their confidence. I mean, to me, that’s the ideal environment to engage.

Laurie Watson [00:13:45]:

Yeah. Okay, let’s come back and talk about what to do about this.

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George Faller [00:15:29]:

So I love your quote if you want to read it to our know, Meredith Chivers.

Laurie Watson [00:15:35]:

She’s a sex researcher in Canada. And she says and this was in the article that came out several years ago what women want in the New York Times and it’s like she know, women to be desired is the orgasm. So women want men who think they’re hot. And I know sometimes that doesn’t work, I suppose. But overall, why do women work out? Why do they dress up? Why do they wear makeup, why do they do these things? I mean, overall they want their guy to notice and to pay attention to that and to feel turned on by that and to hear that expressed. I don’t know. I remember this one guy whose wife was beautiful and he was so withholding of those words. I think honestly he was threatened by her beauty and he felt like if he expressed to her over and over how hot she was that she would leave him, she would get a big head and she would go somewhere else. But that was what she was craving.

George Faller [00:16:46]:

I don’t know. This is God’s funny sense of humor here because there shouldn’t be so many misses in this area. Women want to be desired and men really do desire their partner, want to express it. This should be an easy fit. It should be such a natural process. So what messes this thing up? Women wants it, a man wants to give it. And yet so often in this area they’re missing each other.

Laurie Watson [00:17:11]:

Yeah, I don’t know. My other sense is men, when they compliment women, it’s kind of weak, like, oh yeah, you look great in that dress, or you look nice. I mean, really, could you not say something more specific and potentially more sexual?

George Faller [00:17:30]:

This is definitely where men can up their game and they have to recognize what waters down their compliments is this history of rejection. Because a lot of times for men, if you’re going to share something, you’re passionate about it, your body responds to that. If you say, Damn, you look hot tonight, your body’s going to want to move with it and it’s never the right time. You’re constantly rejected for your compliments. Like stop. You see your partner, you walk by the kitchen, you spank your butt. There’s so many times when you express it that you get rejected that over time it kills the expression. And I think just like women have to do their own individual work, men have to do their own individual work too. That says, why am I allowing myself to lose this part of me to protect myself from the hurts? Like how do I start to harness it and find better timing for how I express it? Because in a kitchen when my wife’s making pancakes for the kids, it’s probably not an ideal time to express it. I mean, it’s a set up really, for me to get rejected with some of those comments. But when I’m laying in bed and I want to maybe get some action to take some time, I like what you’re saying, express it more specifically express what your heart is feeling in more confident ways instead of just protecting yourself with, hey, what do you think tonight? I mean, what’s the really romance or kind of wooing or kind of wowing that you’re saying most women are craving for? So often we wind up not given it because of the negative cycle.

Laurie Watson [00:19:02]:

Yeah. And I think it’s noticing the little things that would be helpful if I were to give a man a tip. How about when she gets her toenails painted? Like, OOH, like that color on your toes?

George Faller [00:19:20]:

I’m writing it.

Laurie Watson [00:19:21]:

Or what about her haircut? You often say this. You tell me Kathy got her haircut or she’s going to get her haircut. So obviously, you’re know, and I hope you’re complimenting, too, but I think I.

George Faller [00:19:34]:

Fall into what a lot of men do is I say it looks good. It’s not not it could be so much better if I would just take that time to be that intentional. I want her to be more intentional in a bedroom. Right. Why can’t I be more intentional outside to set the stage? You did being inspired by this conversation.

Laurie Watson [00:19:53]:

You did post something recently that your wife was hot at some party and she was so cute in that gold dress. I think that goes a long ways.

George Faller [00:20:05]:

Yeah.

Laurie Watson [00:20:06]:

She’s not on Facebook, so she didn’t hear that. But I happened to mention it to her so that she would know that.

George Faller [00:20:12]:

Just on your I i saw her toenails were painted green. I was like, what the hell is that green color? And I didn’t make a comment about that. Again, what you’re encouraging partners to do and this is just not male. I’m female. We all want interest. We’re doing it for a reason. Right. We want to be noticed and to be able to express that in a way that says, that’s really cool. I really like that. That’s the engagement that’s so often the foreplay towards kind of getting the body turned on.

Laurie Watson [00:20:45]:

Yeah. Or just like, oh, baby, you got your toes done. What does this mean? I mean, it could just be anything. It can just be sexual. I think noticing the little things is so important. I suppose sometimes if men say your ass looks great in those pants, and then she’s like, oh, all you think about is sex or something. I can understand how that would be so discouraging. But on the other hand, if she’s working hard, she’s lifting weights, and her ass does look good, it’s like saying those weights are paying off. Baby something.

George Faller [00:21:20]:

It’s the timing.

Laurie Watson [00:21:21]:

It’s the timing. You say in bed, which yes, in bed it would work, but also in bed, it’s almost like there’s motive. I want something. So now I’m going to pay attention to you versus a culture of saying, I’m so attracted to you in all these ways.

George Faller [00:21:42]:

Right. And women can help in this department by positive reinforcement when your partner does say something that works, let them know good job. That’s the easiest way to build confidence. So if you say, Damn, that working out is paying off. I mean, your ass looks great, and you give a little shake and say, well, thank you there, Mr. Handsome. I mean, it’s that lightness and fun that rewards the compliment, right? If you’re always like, oh, stop. Or like, you always shoot it down, we wonder why you lose that confidence over time. Let’s give each other success.

Laurie Watson [00:22:15]:

Exactly. I agree. And I think for women, one of the big things that shoots them down in the bedroom for themselves is they’re so self critical. Really hard as a woman to open up to compliments and to the enjoyment that their guy has for them, because they’re looking at their imperfection. They’re thinking, yeah, but the girls at the gym, they’re ten years younger and their ass is ten times bigger. Maybe that’s not it. I told you my funny joke. I was with my personal trainer, and there was this young woman and she had booty, and I’m like, can you help me get that? And he’s like, yeah, you’d have to lose 30 years. I think that women are very primed to not feel good about themselves. So they’re not resisting you. That might be one thing to take in as a guy. They’re not resisting you. They’re in the self critical voice. They’re in the voice that says, I’m not good enough. I’m not beautiful enough. Because now the standard is over the top. There’s TikTok, there’s models. It’s beyond anything you can imagine today in the pressure of the world on how a woman should look.

George Faller [00:23:35]:

Right. But this is that mixed signal if the insecurity is saying, I don’t feel great about myself, which is why they need the wooing and the confidence to kind of make them feel good. And then when they actually get it because of the insecurity, they can’t trust it. They push away the very thing that they need. And then the guy’s like, what the hell? That didn’t feel good to try to compliment and you shot it down.

Laurie Watson [00:23:59]:

Absolutely.

George Faller [00:23:59]:

They try less, which just feeds more of the insecurities. And it’s like the couple gets just stuck in this space. So I like that what we’re doing is just trying to make that explicit. Like, if you’re a guy, anticipate some of that insecurity, don’t take it so personal. Right. What you’re trying to give them is the very thing that they need. And if you’re a woman, help the guy do that. Help them feel confident. It’s hard to feel confident when you constantly shot down and you don’t have a lot of successes.

Laurie Watson [00:24:27]:

What a perfect micro cycle that shuts down sex. I need it as a woman, and my partner tries to give it to me, and I can’t take it in. This very thing I need, I can’t take in because I don’t feel good enough about myself, and that hole is gaping. But then I send this terrible message to my partner that says, you’re doing it wrong. You’re too sexual, you’re too something, or you’re not strong enough with the compliment. And then they just feel rejected. And they’re like, I’m trying to convey my sense of how you look.

George Faller [00:25:08]:

And that insecurity really craves a confidence that could overwhelm it and say, like, even if you don’t believe this, I know my truth and you’re as sexy as hell, and I’m so lucky to be with you. It’s like, yes, of course it needs that confidence, but it’s hard to hold on to that confidence with all the rejection. So that’s what we’re just trying to.

Laurie Watson [00:25:30]:

Give say, that just what George said. I know you have a hard time taking this in, but you’re sexy as hell to me. And I think as women, we think we need to be the sexiest. Not just sexiest hell to our partner, but the sexiest sexier than any other woman that we know. I don’t know. It can go crazy in our heads, George. But what you just said, I think that’s the magic thing to say.

George Faller [00:25:56]:

Yeah. Helpful. When you have testosterone driving it, guys are looking in the mirror, too. They see their hair thinning and their belly getting faller. This isn’t about perfection anymore. This is just about being present with this person that you love. And most men, when they say it, they’re not just saying it to get laid. They’re saying it because they feel that they are really attracted to their partner. That’s what testosterone helps. They can be really flattering and complementary. If you build that with success, I think both people, to change, need the other person’s help. A woman does need a more confident man, but it’s hard for that man to stay there with the history of that negative cycle.

Laurie Watson [00:26:37]:

Yeah. And so her, when she does feel desire, that’s the other thing we want to emphasize. When desire kicks in, she’s got to let it out of her mouth to tell him or to express with her body or something needs to turn on and show him. Tell him out loud, I’m so glad we’re doing this, and then maybe express the reassurance of how sexy he is, how grateful she is that they got past that warm up period. And now she’s feeling it and she wants it. I do think if men could start and just give permission that, I just want to kiss you, I just want to make out, it’s okay if we don’t go forward. I think that’s difficult for a man because he’s probably going to get an erection and want to go forward. But on the other hand, the odds are if she has this permission to start and to not go any further, the odds are her body is going to turn on and then she’s going to want it.

George Faller [00:27:36]:

Yeah. I love after sex. Imagine being a female partner saying, wow, that was great. You were awesome, and, Damn, wasn’t I awesome, too? Isn’t that, like, so much to celebrate? There’s so much there to celebrate. Right? Tell your faller, good job, and take that about yourself. Seize your own sexuality. I think that’s so attractive for both people to say, wasn’t I great, too? Right? That’s what eases a lot of those insecurities. But so many of us are bashful. I don’t know. I just think there’s some fun stuff here.

Laurie Watson [00:28:15]:

False stuff about we should be falsely modest and not appreciate who we are in bed. Yes, I agree. Both sides. I love that. Okay.

George Faller [00:28:25]:

What a beautiful way of putting a cherry on top of the ice cream sundae to be able to kind of tell each other we’re awesome. That was awesome, right? That just keeps us in that positive affect.

Laurie Watson [00:28:37]:

Yeah. Okay. Thanks for listening.

George Faller [00:28:41]:

Keep it hot, baby.

Laurie Watson [00:28:42]:

We are doing a couple’s retreat on September Eigth, so please keep that in mind in your schedule. For your fall schedule, we want to give you a heads up. We’re only doing one this year because our training schedule is getting crazy. But we would love to invite you to our couple’s retreat on September Eigth. It’s by Zoom, and you can find it on our website. Fourplacextherapy.com.

George Faller [00:29:05]:

Nice. And we just completed training therapists two days. Right on sex. Had over 100 therapists. How much fun was that, Laurie, to just kind of, again, get all these questions? We don’t have all the answers, but we’re just again, that excitement is just trying to help us all get clear and clear and start leaning in this direction because it’s such a great need to help couples talk about their sex lives.

Laurie Watson [00:29:26]:

It was really fun, and we’re excited to do it again for our couples. We always have fun with people who are wanting to work on their sex life and come to us. They’re always anxious, what is it going to look like? And I’m glad to email you a little bit about that talk with you so you can get comfy.

George Faller [00:29:44]:

Nice. And who don’t want to be comfy, right?

Laurie Watson [00:29:47]:

I would love to invite you. This is women only, but we are having a retreat in Asheville on November 10 through the twelveTH, and it’s going to be a slumber party, and so we’re going to all stay together in the same cabin. It’s a beautiful space, and we’re going to have meals brought in and made, and we know who the chef is, and so it’s going to be wonderful. Maybe drink a little bit of wine, if you’d like to, and we have kind of some talks and time to work together on your sexuality. So the whole goal of this women’s sexuality retreat, the slumber party, is to basically enhance and develop yourself, your erotic self inside. So we’re going to be talking about anatomy and physiology and sexual attachment. We’re going to talk through blocks. What stops us? What are the breaks against our sexual expression? And then, what are our gas pedals? What are our turn ons? How do we open up more sexually, like with enhanced sexual pleasure? And we’re going to talk about orgasms and roleplay and using joys and fantasies and some stuff. And each night we’re going to have a pajama party where we just relax and sit around and talk on the deck and hang out together. And then on Sunday morning, we’re going to set our focus and have concrete steps toward sexual engagement with our partners.

George Faller [00:31:10]:

Sounds pretty awesome. Laurie and all the men. Don’t worry about it. Maybe we’ll have, like, a Spartan camp out somewhere, have a couple of beers, and we’ll do our own version of that someday.

Laurie Watson [00:31:22]:

That would be great. So, love to invite you. I will post it on Foreplaysextherapy.com under Resources, and there will be the retreat, the scheduling events, and you can link and figure out if you can make it with us on November 10 through the twelveTH in 2023 Asheville. Be there.

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