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George Faller [00:00:02]:

Pursuers, withdrawers. They come in all shapes and sizes. Laurie, we’re going to talk about combinations today. What do you think?

Laurie Watson [00:00:11]:

Yeah, I’m curious what you want to talk about here.

George Faller [00:00:14]:

Let’s do it.

Laurie Watson [00:00:17]:

Let’s do it. Welcome to foreplay sex therapy. I’m Dr. Laurie Watson, your sex therapist.

George Faller [00:00:25]:

And I’m George Faller, a couple’s therapist.

Laurie Watson [00:00:27]:

We are here to talk about sex.

George Faller [00:00:29]:

Our mission is to help couples talk about sex in ways that incorporate their body, their mind, and their hearts, and.

Laurie Watson [00:00:37]:

We have a little bit of fun doing it right.

George Faller [00:00:39]:

G listen and let’s change some relationships. So excited. Laurie, another in person training. Philadelphia unleashing the power of sex and EFT for therapists. October 4 and October 5. This is one of our favorite trainings to do. It’s such a need out there to empower therapists to keep their focus better in session and know how to help couples facilitate these bonding conversations through sex. Most of us don’t grow up in families talking about this stuff. So get some of the tools that you need. Have some fun. Engage with other therapists. It’s great to be back in person.

Laurie Watson [00:01:16]:

Oh, yes, it is so great to be in person. We had so much fun in our last in person training. I mean, people actually laugh at our jokes. And I got to say, some of what we’re doing, I think it’s pretty cutting edge. We’re working on stage one and stage two. For those of you who are therapists and EFT, you’ll get what we’re talking about. But even if you’re not an EFT therapist, there’s a lot here that you can learn about how to talk with couples about sex and how to become more expert at it.

George Faller [00:01:44]:

And if you’re a listener and you do have a therapist and your therapist doesn’t know about EFT, tell them. You know what? I think you should check this training out. I guarantee they’ll come out of that training with some new tools, which is that’s what we’re in the business of, right? Creating change with new tools.

Laurie Watson [00:01:59]:

Yes. So come join us in October in Philadelphia. I just want to celebrate something. We have something to celebrate for you.

George Faller [00:02:09]:

G what’s that?

Laurie Watson [00:02:10]:

We have your 25th anniversary to celebrate. Congratulations.

George Faller [00:02:16]:

Voila. With a blink of an eye, right? It goes quick.

Laurie Watson [00:02:19]:

I know. I think I’m going to post your picture on social media. That is such a beautiful picture of you guys.

George Faller [00:02:26]:

Best decision I made, right? Laurie so, like all relationships, we have our ups and downs, but I do think there’s something to be proud of that we both have invested and have gotten to this place of 25 years. That’s some kind of foundation, right?

Laurie Watson [00:02:45]:

It’s a milestone, for sure. So many people don’t get that far. It’s a lot of work and a lot of love. I had the pleasure of being with you and Kathy in New Orleans and seeing your guys. Lovely, dynamic, and so cute.

George Faller [00:03:07]:

Let’s talk about the sex now.

Laurie Watson [00:03:09]:

So hot.

George Faller [00:03:15]:

I am thankful. A lot of things have to also go right. You got to get lucky. You got to work hard. You got to make good choices. You got to be able to recover. Right? And certainly we don’t have all the answers. And it’s always cool to be a couple’s therapist and have all this wise advice and then go home and just mess it all up and get triggered and we’re all in this mess together. But I think if I’ve learned anything over the years, it’s just a little bit more flexibility and not take myself as seriously. And when you can repair quicker, I think it just makes for a safety level that’s pretty cool to carry around with you.

Laurie Watson [00:03:57]:

Doesn’t hurt that your wife is funny and beautiful too.

George Faller [00:04:02]:

Yes, she is. She’s got a lot going for her, and I’m a pretty lucky guy.

Laurie Watson [00:04:08]:

Indeed you are. Okay, so pursuers and withdrawers. How do withdraws? I mean, they have pursuing parts too, right?

George Faller [00:04:20]:

Yeah, I think that’s what we’re trying today. Emphasize that the more all of us can tap into, whenever there’s a threat, we only have a fight or fight response. We all do some of both. We talk about traditional heterosexual couples. A lot of times you got the male who withdraws emotionally to avoid fights, and female partner is the one pushing for conversations because they want to bridge some of the distance and want things to improve. And then sexually they can reverse roles. Right? And now the man is one pushing for sex and intimacy, and a wife isn’t feeling connected and safe, and then they roll over and kind of aren’t so interested. And those are classic roles that I think a lot of people can relate to. But in real life, there’s so many little variations in shifting. So a classic one like men, and we’re just oversimplifying here, but a lot of times in conversation, I was working with a couple the other day, and they were talking about getting a babysitter, and the guy was like, listen, we need to prioritize our relationship. We need to go out. We need to call the babysitter. This is the amount, this is the number. Let’s just schedule and get it done. His brain was so focused on the problem, and there was a simple solution, and he just wanted like, he was in that pursuer energy. He was just like, why can’t you see the clarity of this simple thing and get it done right? So he was in this push and roll, and he was very decisive. The wife was more in this. Wait, what you don’t understand is if we ask this babysitter, my mom’s going to get her feelings hurt. And if we ask this babysitter, you got to consider the old babysitter that we had. And she had so many things that she was considering and how many hours is it going to be and is it going to impact the kids sleep and what time? She had all these worries and concerns that she was the one that was more hesitant and cautious and not making a decision. Right. So if you looked at the dynamics, it looked like he was pushing and she was disengaging or not really kind of meeting him where he wanted her because they were focused on two totally different things. He was focused on the problem and she was focused on the relationships. And so often I see that in dynamics, where one partner is in their head trying to fix something and the other person is seeing the bigger picture and the impact of relationships and they’re like almost speaking different languages.

Laurie Watson [00:06:47]:

Yeah. First of all, I want to say yes, sometimes withdrawers. They push too. They want to get something done. And there’s a resistance in the pursuer for whatever reasons. And I would say typically those reasons are pretty complex. And I will say, having been a young mother at some point, children and the way you are with them and all of those things, it is so complicated, I think, especially if you do more of the childcare you’re thinking about. Oh, yeah, but tomorrow is a big test for Johnny, and I don’t really want to go out that night. I will say, though, my husband and I went out every Tuesday night for 20 years.

George Faller [00:07:42]:

Nice.

Laurie Watson [00:07:43]:

Like, I didn’t not go out maybe four times because and I went out when I had a fever. I went out when my children had fevers. It was just we went out because I needed that midweek break and that was inviable. And it was a really good decision. We went out sometimes when we couldn’t afford a babysitter. It was like we just found a babysitter and we did it anyway. And that discipline, I think, became part of our routine and really did help. So that’s not what we’re talking about. But I just want to encourage people to please.

George Faller [00:08:17]:

You can use that as an example. I mean, just to empathize with the frustration that a lot of fixers feel that it’s like, all right, Tuesday we’re going out. We agreed to go out Tuesday. We need to find a babysitter because the babysitter we use is not available. So let’s use babysitter B, call them up and see if they’re available. It’s a simple problem that can be simply fixed. So when that simplicity runs into the complications of the partner, that says, well, if we call this one, it could hurt this one’s feelings, and if we call the other one, the kid doesn’t like that, it could hurt our kids feelings. But those complexities for the fixer brain wants to scream like, what the hell, just make a decision. I don’t care which decision is, let’s just fix this problem. Right. I don’t really want hours of conversation around this problem. I just want this taken off my list, taken off our plate so I.

Laurie Watson [00:09:14]:

Can focus on the other things and enjoy you.

George Faller [00:09:18]:

Exactly. But these are examples of the switching roles. When you’re in a frustrated place and you’re trying to communicate because you’re hoping that that frustration or that criticism or that advice that you’re given is going to get the other person to see it and change their behaviors, you’re trying to motivate change. That’s what a pursuer energy is trying to do, is trying to motivate change. withdrawers are trying to calm down the message. They’re trying to keep the peace. So can you tap into because the more both partners can tap into both sides, it makes this whole process predictable in whatever role we’re in, because we’re not so different. There’s a lot more common ground here than most people realize.

Laurie Watson [00:10:04]:

That is true. That is true.

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Laurie Watson [00:10:33]:

You and pursuers as well. I mean, we have withdrawing parts, right. We get shut down, we go away. I mean, there’s all kinds of things that we do as well that is opposite of our typical part of the dynamic.

George Faller [00:10:53]:

Yeah. And we change our roles in different relationships. My dad’s never around. I kind of pursued because I wanted to spend time with him. My mom could be overbearing. I pulled away. Right. A lot of it. Our moves are depending on the relationship dynamics. But again, when I start to see in my own relationship where I start to recognize when my wife does something, maybe she can pursue, but then sometimes she withdraws. And that withdrawal feels like a rejection. Like when I could pause a moment and say, wait a second, is she really rejecting me or is she going away because she just wants a break from the kind of intensity right now. I know what that’s like, to want to go away and take a break right. When I can kind of tap into that part of myself. I take my partner’s behavior less personal.

Laurie Watson [00:11:49]:

Yeah, that’s the secret, I think too, talking about just making it clear, like, okay, we’re doing something different here. I’m starting to push you to do something, and I’m feeling your resistance or you pulling back. Can you tell me what’s happening? What am I not seeing? Because this is really different than what we normally do. Opening that conversation so that we can observe it and say, wow, this is not working. What’s happening? You’re the one who says I should take responsibility for making sure we have a babysitter. And now I’m making suggestions. Let’s do this. Let’s do that. I’m thinking about it, and there’s a switch here.

George Faller [00:12:41]:

Yeah. And you’re really looking at two different things. Your complexity is because you’re looking at the impact of your decision on all these potential relationships. That is a pretty big deal. My brain isn’t looking at that at all. My brain is looking at, we need to go on a date, and we just need to make a decision. This isn’t that complicated, and it’s pretty simple. We’re in two different planets, even though we’re talking about the same conversation.

Laurie Watson [00:13:09]:

Yeah, absolutely. I’m wondering if we can find a good example and talk about it. We should role play this. We should role play this. Okay, let’s come back and do that. Hey, foreplay FAM. We are excited to have oh, my God, yes. As one of our sponsors. Again. Welcome back. That’s Omgyes.com. And what is this? Basically, in partnership with Kinsey Institute researchers, they asked tens of thousands of women george. What made pleasure better by themselves and with their partners.

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George Faller [00:14:45]:

And it’s a fantastic way to start a conversation. Right. That’s usually the hardest step for most couples. And here you are. You got something that’s going to launch you right into a conversation.

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George Faller [00:15:25]:

All right, so, Laurie, maybe we’ll do a quick role play around. I’ll be the emotional withdrawal, you be the emotional pursuer. And most of the time, you want to bring things up, and I don’t want to rock the boat and keep the peace. But now it’s a more important issue for me because I want to go see my parents this weekend.

Laurie Watson [00:15:44]:

Oh, boy.

George Faller [00:15:45]:

And you don’t want to see it because the good things don’t happen. So this is where we’re going to reverse roles a little bit, and let’s just see if we can put words to that and see how we maybe can recognize that in each other.

Laurie Watson [00:15:58]:

Okay.

George Faller [00:15:59]:

So, Jane, I know we haven’t talked about it, but, you know, this is my parents’anniversary, and it’s the right thing to do. We got to swing by there.

Laurie Watson [00:16:08]:

Yeah. Can we just send flowers and a card, hon? I mean, your mom, she does not like me. I don’t really think it’s going to be a blessing for them if we show up again.

George Faller [00:16:24]:

I wasn’t raised that way. It’s not the right thing to do, to just not show up and just show flowers. I mean, how kind of impersonal is that? And my mom does like you. You have issues. But.

Laurie Watson [00:16:38]:

That’S going to be Friday, and we’ve got the track meet on Saturday morning. It’ll be late. We’ll be just how would you just feel about you going? You’re the one they want to see.

George Faller [00:16:55]:

So let’s do what we talked about in therapy. I’m going to try to shift levels here, Jane, and not get lost in the logistics here. I mean, I do get your reluctance to want to go because that’s normally what I can do. Right. It’s like you don’t see good alternatives here. You kind of know it’s going to end bad. So you don’t want to engage. And you’re not wrong because you don’t want to engage. If I was in your shoes, I’d probably want to go because my mom has been not nice a lot of the times, and I really wish that was different, but it is what it is. So I get you don’t want to go. And I also know it’s important for me that we go because I’m going to feel really bad. Like, I’ve let my parents down. I’m going to feel bad about myself, and I just think that sucks. I kind of need your help here.

Laurie Watson [00:17:50]:

I appreciate you seeing that I have good reasons not to want to go and hang out for an evening with your mother. I do appreciate, too, that your parents raised you to show up to things, and you’ve been a good father. You’ve shown up for our kids. You’ve shown up for me at important things. I do love and respect that about you. It’s really hard for me. I think I face this sense of her thinking I’m not good enough for you, and then I worry that you’re going to think I’m not good enough for you.

George Faller [00:18:36]:

Well, again, I want to protect you from that. If my mom does anything, I’ll say something. I know in the past I haven’t. I’ve just kind of wanted to avoid the conflict and just let it roll, and then you would feel like I don’t have your back. And I know that. And if we go and she says anything, I will have your back. And I promise we won’t stay long. We just do a cameo and have some quick food and then we got somewhere else to go. And I appreciate you kind of you’re not just trying to be stubborn here, that you’re letting me into your biggest fear because my mom sees you that way. That might influence how I see you, and that doesn’t even enter my brain. But I appreciate you feel that way. And I feel so blessed to have you right. That I can never see you that way. My mom can never influence kind of the way I see you. That you’re having this conversation is something my mom could have never done. And I wish my mom could see us talking this way because she’s never had those conversations in our relationship. Right. It’s evidence to me of kind of what we have that is so special. And I want other people to see that. I wish my parents could see what a different relationship we’ve created than what they have. So thank you for sharing that and I want to have your back.

Laurie Watson [00:20:06]:

Thank you. That feels more reassuring to me. I appreciate that. I really do. It’s hard to tell you.

George Faller [00:20:19]:

Oh, you’re welcome. So that means we’re going, right?

Laurie Watson [00:20:22]:

I guess that means we’re going.

George Faller [00:20:24]:

All right, so let’s pull out of this role play. But again, didn’t that feel different? We’re going down that first road and we’re fighting know, going or not going, but being able to tap into that part of me that knows why Laurie don’t want to go. And for Laurie to tap into that part of herself that knows why I’m trying to push to try to create a change here. It makes it easier for partners to meet each other when they could touch parts of themselves that know these places well. How was that for you, Laurie?

Laurie Watson [00:20:58]:

Yeah, that felt good. I appreciated a number of things, like the way you drew the attention to what we have is so different, such a different kind of relationship that we’re actually talking about real feelings that your parents didn’t have, don’t have. And that that’s what makes it really special between us, that you hope that they could possibly see that. And also, I think practically your commitment to stand up for me, that felt good too.

George Faller [00:21:30]:

Well, this is the opportunity for couples to have these conversations. If you don’t know how to name these parts of yourself, then you just won’t talk about it.

Laurie Watson [00:21:40]:

Yeah.

George Faller [00:21:40]:

So when I go into pursue a role which sometimes withdrawers do and sometimes the pursuer will go into withdrawal role, that needs conversation just like the other one.

Laurie Watson [00:21:52]:

Right.

George Faller [00:21:53]:

And couples that can recognize and have more flexibility. So let’s shift this towards the sexual cycle too, Laurie. OK. A lot of know say I’m in the role of the sexual pursuer and Laurie’s in this role of the sexual witcher, and that’s the majority of our interactions, but not all our you know, Laurie, for whatever reason, she’s initiating. She’s coming out into the bedroom with an energy that wants to have sex and is initiating it. And maybe I’m not in a mood or something’s going on with me where I’m the one who wants to avoid. We see this a lot with sexual pursuers that in the moment their partner initiates, they want to punish them or show them what it’s like, or something happens where they become the withdrawal. Right. We’ve seen that a lot, and we just want to help people be able to talk about it.

Laurie Watson [00:22:50]:

Yeah, that’s good. Okay.

George Faller [00:22:55]:

You want to launch into another role play?

Laurie Watson [00:22:58]:

Okay, so you’re the sexual pursuer. I’m the sexual with you are, but I’m going to pursue. So, honey, I was talking to my girlfriends, and we spent, like, the afternoon talking about sex. It was so, like frankly, I kind of got turned on, and it’s like, I want to go to bed with you tonight. I want to try some of the things they were talking about.

George Faller [00:23:26]:

That sounds great. I can’t resist it. I’m sorry. No, I can’t do it. That’s too hot. Why wait till tonight? Let’s do it now. Take two. I’m sorry.

Laurie Watson [00:23:41]:

That’s funny.

George Faller [00:23:43]:

So I’m not sure what’s driving this. You talk to your girlfriends, and now you want to have sex. You don’t want to have sex with me. Why don’t you feel this way about when I want to have sex with you? I don’t know. I got a lot on my brain.

Laurie Watson [00:24:04]:

You are thinking this way. I thought you would be so happy that we were talking about sex and that I got turned on, and happy.

George Faller [00:24:15]:

That you talk about sex with all your girlfriends but never want to talk about sex with me. I mean, how does that feel? Good that you feel this freedom. But with me, it’s like silence all the time. So you know what? I think we should just take some time to think about this. I just need some time to process this.

Laurie Watson [00:24:35]:

Look it, I talk to them about sex. I mean, it’s just like girl talk, and it makes me feel unself conscious because they have problems, and they talk about it. I think with you, I just feel so much pressure all the time, and it’s like, forget it. I cannot even believe you’re doing this. It’s just like, forget I even talked about it with you.

George Faller [00:24:56]:

Of course it’s my fault. I’m sure it is. All right. Didn’t go so well.

Laurie Watson [00:25:04]:

Oh, I just want to hate you.

George Faller [00:25:09]:

I’m not liking you too much either. Here. Trust me. I could feel that we’ve switched roles. I’m disengaging. And you do get this a lot with a sexual pursuit. When the conversation starts to hit emotions and some kind of deeper places, they want to pull out, they want to stop the conversation. Right. This is where we talk about these cycles interacting, but we won’t get lost in theory. Let’s see how we can do it differently. How can you, Laurie, touch the part of me that doesn’t want to engage because you know that well.

Laurie Watson [00:25:42]:

Okay. So, honey, I just got back from the girls, and they were just talking about sex all the time. And I swear, I just kind of feel horny. And I want to do it with you. I want to try some of the things that they were talking about. And it was really fun.

George Faller [00:26:04]:

I mean, I think it is great that you’re talking about this, but it’s thrown me off a little bit. It’s like your conversation with the girls that brings this out in you. It’s like, I try to talk about this stuff with you all the time. You don’t want to talk to me about it.

Laurie Watson [00:26:22]:

You’re right. I do get super self conscious with you. I’m not exactly sure why I felt so free with them, and I get so self conscious with you. It’s like, who, I was with them. I was excited. I felt uninhibited. I felt, like, anxious to try everything that they were talking about.

George Faller [00:26:47]:

And I know maybe, but maybe it makes sense. Like, you take a little time to reflect on this, and I could think about it too, because, again, you don’t have the answers here. Maybe you can try to find the answers.

Laurie Watson [00:27:00]:

Yes. And I do think it’s important to figure this out and find the answers. And I guess what are you feeling when I say this? You said it’s frustrating that I don’t talk with you this way. I mean, when you say I should take some time to think about it, I will. And I guess what I’m reading between the lines is it’s kind of hurtful to you that I would talk so freely with them and I’m so uptight with you. Is that what’s going on for you?

George Faller [00:27:34]:

Yeah, I so try to have these conversations, and we just never have them to hear. You just like having it with a bunch of people. It’s like, who took over my wife? I want to know how to tap into that part of you, because I think that must have been pretty cool.

Laurie Watson [00:27:55]:

Yeah.

George Faller [00:27:57]:

I want to share that with you.

Laurie Watson [00:27:58]:

I get that why you’re unsure, and I just give it away to all these other people, and I don’t give it to you, and that isn’t fair. And I love that you want to know this part of me, and I really do want to share this part with you. I saw in the conversation how I had this part, and frankly, I was kind of stricken with how I withhold it from you and how uptight I am with you. And that sucks, and it’s got to suck for you all the time.

George Faller [00:28:33]:

Well, thank you. It feels like you’re getting why I got triggered a bit by that. But I do really want that side of you to develop and you to get excited about it. So I do think it’s cool that you had some success, that, you know, that is your truth, that you have this part of you that when you don’t feel pressured or whatever else is going on that you actually initiated. I mean, I think that was so cool. And I’m sorry I wasn’t kind of ready for it and I got thrown off there a bit.

Laurie Watson [00:29:08]:

That’s okay. It makes a lot of sense to me that you would maybe feel exposed and feel frustrated that I’m just saying it to everybody else. But honey, I got some great ideas. Let’s do this.

George Faller [00:29:22]:

Let’s talk about these ideas. All right?

Laurie Watson [00:29:24]:

Okay.

George Faller [00:29:25]:

All right. Again, very different outcome.

Laurie Watson [00:29:28]:

Yeah.

George Faller [00:29:29]:

Couples, I will hope when you’re listening, this is a lot easier to do in a roleplay than our own relationships because these triggers are big and strong, and we get that. And we don’t have to be perfect. It’s just good enough. But your conversation can lead in very different directions depending on how much two people are working together. So we went down one road that was very unsuccessful, and then we did it again and we went down a road that was successful. That’s not chance. It’s because things that we were doing kind of protecting each other and being a little bit more vulnerable instead of so reactive and protective. So you can do it, too.

Laurie Watson [00:30:06]:

Yeah. Thanks, you all for listening. We wish you so much luck in the more positive conversation and the vulnerable conversation.

George Faller [00:30:15]:

We all deserve it. Keep it hot.

Laurie Watson [00:30:17]:

I would love to invite you. This is women only, but we are having a retreat in Asheville on November 10 through the twelveTH, and it’s going to be a slumber party. And so we’re going to all stay together in the same cabin. It’s a beautiful space, and we’re going to have meals brought in and made, and we know who the chef is, and so it’s going to be wonderful. Maybe drink a little bit of wine, if you’d like to, and we have kind of some talks and time to work together on your sexuality. So the whole goal of this women’s sexuality retreat, the slumber party, is to basically enhance and develop yourself, your erotic self inside. So we’re going to be talking about anatomy and physiology and sexual attachment. We’re going to talk through blocks. What stops us? What are the breaks against our sexual expression? And then what are our gas pedals? What are our turn ons? How do we open up more sexually, like with enhanced sexual pleasure? And we’re going to talk about orgasms and roleplay and using joys and fantasies and some stuff. And each night we’re going to have a pajama party where we just relax and sit around and talk on the deck and hang out together. And then on Sunday morning, we’re going to set our focus and have concrete steps toward sexual engagement with our partners.

George Faller [00:31:40]:

Sounds pretty awesome. Laurie and all the men. Don’t worry about it. Maybe we’ll have like a Spartan camp out somewhere, have a couple beers and we’ll do our own version of that someday.

Laurie Watson [00:31:51]:

That would be great. So love to invite you. I will post it on Foreplaysextherapy.com under resources, and there will be the retreat, the scheduling events, and you can link and figure out if you can make it with us on November 10 through the twelveTH in Asheville. Okay, so tell us about your cutting edge training that you’re doing on success and vulnerability.

George Faller [00:32:16]:

Laurie we just keep pushing it. Coming up with a new module on the playbook of a pursuer playbook of a witcher. Really practical, moment by moment moves of what a therapist can use. We’re so focused on what’s happening in session enough. There’s talk about theories and these global things. I think most therapists are looking for, what do I do in this moment? Give me a tool, george so that’s what we’re trying to do.

Laurie Watson [00:32:42]:

That’s awesome. I am so glad you guys are doing this work. I think it helps us be organized to see you do it. You do demos, you do explanations. Teaching. It really is interactive, and I think that so many trainings that we sit through don’t give us an opportunity for that. So what you’re doing is really important.

George Faller [00:33:01]:

No, we try to emphasize the teach it, show it, do it model of learning. You need to have some ideas, so we try to teach those, and then we try to show what it looks like implementing those ideas. But most importantly, you now got to practice it. That’s how they become yours. And that’s what we want our listeners and watchers to do, is become their own moves.

Laurie Watson [00:33:20]:

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