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Laurie Watson [00:01:39]:
Welcome to the School of Love.
George Faller [00:01:41]:
Let’s do it. Our chance to break down the therapy process so you can do it at home without a therapist.
Laurie Watson [00:01:49]:
Finally, the sexual pursuer gets his day. Her day. Welcome to Foreplay sex therapy. I’m Dr. Lori Watson, your sex therapist.
George Faller [00:02:01]:
And I’m George Fowler, your couples therapist.
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We are here to talk about sex.
George Faller [00:02:05]:
Our mission is to help couples talk about sex in ways that incorporate their body, their mind and their hearts.
Laurie Watson [00:02:13]:
And we have a little bit of.
Laurie Watson [00:02:15]:
Fun doing it right G Listen and.
George Faller [00:02:17]:
Let’S change some relationships.
Laurie Watson [00:02:19]:
We are so glad to finally be here, right where the sexual pursuer gets the love that they finally need. And eventually the sex that they need. But right now, we’re on in the beginning of this process for the sexual pursuer. We want you to listen because this is. This is the difficulty. This is the place where the Sexual pursuer talks about their fears and vulnerabilities.
George Faller [00:02:41]:
Yeah. And the order we want, the which order we engage so the pursuer doesn’t get dropped. But again, the emotional sexual is. We’re less focused on the time. I think a lot of couples, Lori, when you agree that we do the emotional cycle first, we create the safety and then we go for the sexual cycle. But some couples present with the sexual cycle and then we want to do that one first. So it don’t matter which sexual emotional you do, but pursue which or it does matter, Right. We want the withdraw first so then they can catch the pursuer.
Laurie Watson [00:03:13]:
As a sexual pursuer, I just want to say that that cycle needs to be close behind.
George Faller [00:03:19]:
Close behind.
Laurie Watson [00:03:20]:
If we’re going to do the emotional cycle first, the sexual cycle better be right there.
George Faller [00:03:26]:
Well, we’ll leave it up to our listeners. If you want to try the sexual first, that’s fine too. But you know, we, we do want the hallmarks of a sexual pursuer softening or what we said last time, re engagement.
Laurie Watson [00:03:38]:
Yeah.
George Faller [00:03:39]:
This is for the sexual pursuer to take the focus off of their partner and changing their partner and relieving books for their partner and getting their partner to get their libido measure. Like all this stuff that they tend to do, right? The other focus going back to oil and really getting them to go inward. Like, how do you make sense of that? What does it say about you, the impact to be rejected? To constantly want something healthy and beautiful and to keep hearing no, have your partner roll over. Right. That’s such a painful place. It’s such a lonely place. Right. What we see is usually the frustration, but we don’t see the pain, right.
George Faller [00:04:18]:
And once we get that pain, then we’re going to that view of self place. Right. Locate self. What’s wrong with me? I deserve to rejection. Am I not a good lover? You know, if I was someone else, you’d be interested. Like it’s actually my fault I’m being rejected. This is the heart of softening a pursuers. Getting them into that negative view of self and getting them to try to share some of that, because that is often left unspoken.
Laurie Watson [00:04:47]:
And as a sexual pursuer, George, do you not feel the protests, like, look at. I’ve tried seduction, I’ve tried to be. I’ve tried to make it work for my partner. I’ve tried everything and stood on my head and you know, and to admit this piece, isn’t it difficult?
George Faller [00:05:06]:
It’s. And it has to be done in, in the context it’s this? The bigger truth is I am confident and good at this. And the problem really is my bother. Right. That is my brain mostly sees it that way. That’s why it’s focusing on other. But you can’t constantly keep getting rejected and not have an insecurity that says, what is it about me that gets rejected? And that’s the tender place, that’s the vulnerable place that’s going to pull the partner forward. If you keep focusing on changing your partner and telling them they suck and they need to do it differently and there’s something wrong with them.
George Faller [00:05:39]:
Right. That’s not super motivating. And pursuers are trying to motivate through the criticism, but the best way of motivating is actually showing your heart, showing what happens to you, because that’s what’s going to pull your partner closer.
Laurie Watson [00:05:53]:
Yeah. Okay. Okay. So sexual pursuers, get ready to talk about the, the hurt inside of after all the rejection. And also, I think while sex is new in our adulthood, there are often places inside, you know, that do hearken back to earlier wounds. You gotta find those things.
George Faller [00:06:19]:
Yeah. And this is where it can get a little complicated depending on how you do your emotions. Right. If it’s a crisscross cycle where, you know, I do want sex and I get frustrated, I don’t get it. But now we want to explore my inner world of what that feels like. The pain and hurt, the withdrawal emotionally, part of me might not want to talk about that. Right. And so I might not have a lot of words.
George Faller [00:06:42]:
So for a lot of you, sexual pursuit is, listen, it’s okay if you don’t have words. That’s just your body saying, this is not a place that you’ve actually let others in or yourself into. Right. We’re always trying to make the implicit explicit. You know, we really trying to uncover places because once we could uncover, we got a lot more to work with.
Laurie Watson [00:07:02]:
Yeah, it is. I think that is a really hard thing. If you are typically an emotional withdrawer and you’re supposed to do this thing, talk about the inside, you’re like, ah, I don’t do that very well. Anyway.
George Faller [00:07:19]:
This is why the time is important. Hopefully at this point we’ve had the which emotional withdrawal part of them re engaged. They have been able to put words, they see the benefit of doing it. They’ve been able to show up for their partner, the pursuer, in their emotional pain. Right. You have that success emotionally. So now when you’re trying to get the pursuit to go back, they have much more Access.
Laurie Watson [00:07:41]:
Oh, I think you just convinced me of something. You’ve been trying to convince me of this forever. That we should, you know, have the emotional withdrawer go first. You know, like that. That cycle should go first. I can kind of see that. Especially if. If it’s crisscrossed, you know, because we want the sexual pursuer who might be an emotional withdrawer to have words, to have success in doing this.
Laurie Watson [00:08:05]:
And, I mean, because this is a reach inside themselves, and that’s. That’s hard to do, you know, the places that feel rejected, I. I think you might have just won me over, George.
George Faller [00:08:14]:
Yay.
Laurie Watson [00:08:17]:
Five years of trying.
George Faller [00:08:19]:
Five years of trying. I don’t know what I did, but I’ll take the victory.
Laurie Watson [00:08:26]:
Okay. Okay.
George Faller [00:08:28]:
To play with this. That’s what the pursuer is looking for. Playing. But they don’t often get it sexually. Staying with that. The goal of this place is to really get to the rejection.
Laurie Watson [00:08:46]:
Yeah.
George Faller [00:08:46]:
And the part that maybe believes I deserved a rejection, if I had a. If I was a better lover, if I had a bigger penis, if I lasted longer, if my boobs were bigger, if I had, you know, all these tapes that we play that actually say to us, we deserve the rejection. It’s our fault our partner’s not interested. I just think how devastating that is. Your heart wants something pure and beautiful, and this is how you connect and feel good in the world. And your partner doesn’t seem to want it the way you want it. Right. That does create an imbalance and inequity.
George Faller [00:09:19]:
No wonder why we get the protest and the unfairness. But underneath that is this pain of rejection.
Laurie Watson [00:09:25]:
Right.
George Faller [00:09:26]:
Because we really want to share the pain. Because in getting that, we can get the solution, which is the acceptance to love in this place.
Laurie Watson [00:09:35]:
Right. And as a double pursuer, fortunately, I think I had words, but as a double pursuer, it’s like you’re kind of admitting, like, you deserve rejection on all counts. And it’s. That’s painful. Wow. That’s a painful thing to think about. Right. Like, it’s really difficult.
George Faller [00:09:57]:
Yeah, I hadn’t even thought about that. It’s a double whammy when you’re in the. In the same parallel roles in both, but the sexual pursuit and the emotional pursuer, they don’t get a respite from the messages of rejection. Outside and inside the bedroom, they’re constantly kind of running up against walls.
Laurie Watson [00:10:18]:
Right. And no wonder they’re anxious.
George Faller [00:10:20]:
Yeah.
Laurie Watson [00:10:20]:
You know, I. I think pursuers are blamed for being too anxious, anxiously attached and. And usually we are. But also they get blamed for that. Like, you know, this is the only reason you’re, you know, this way in both cycles, sexually and emotionally, is because you’re just an anxious person. And you know, you, you don’t. You got to find security inside and all this. I remember we were teaching just recently and certainly I identified as the pursuer in both cycles, but we had a male participant too, identifying and, you know, just kind of break up, like, hey, I’ve been waiting all day for you to talk about this one.
Laurie Watson [00:10:56]:
Right? This is so painful.
George Faller [00:10:59]:
Yeah.
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George Faller [00:12:47]:
And that’s the thing. I mean, anxiety is a natural byproduct of continuous rejection, right? It’s the body’s attempt to try to do what it can to not have that happen. And then they constantly are blamed for their own anxiety. Right. Which is crazy making. So it is a gift. It is for partners to honor anxiety. Say there’s nothing wrong with your anxiety.
George Faller [00:13:06]:
Your body’s anticipating what usually happens, and it’s trying to prepare for that. And that’s a gift. Your body’s trying to prepare you. It’s not a curse. Even though it sucks to be anxious, the ability to give it permission is a really nice way of starting to calm that anxiety down.
Laurie Watson [00:13:21]:
Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Okay, sir, we’ve ready feel us calming down.
George Faller [00:13:27]:
What do you think, Laurie?
Laurie Watson [00:13:29]:
I actually feel my blood pressure going up just thinking about it all. All that rejection. But that’s the. I mean, I think that that’s what anxiety does. Right. If you’re a sexual and emotional pursuit, you have high blood pressure. No wonder.
George Faller [00:13:45]:
No wonder. But again, the timing. The sexual withdrawal has done this. They’ve already gone to a place to talk about feeling like they’re broken or failing. It’s their fault. They’ve been able to let the pursuer in, which has created a lot more grace for this couple. A lot more connections in places where they don’t. And in this conversation now, the withdraw sexually is able to kind of keep the focus on the pursuer and get curious about their pain, not get lost.
George Faller [00:14:15]:
And I’m sorry. It’s my fault. And it’s all about now, my fear of failure. They get lost in that. It’s like you got to be grounded as a withdrawal. And this is your chance to get to know your partner better.
Laurie Watson [00:14:24]:
Yeah.
George Faller [00:14:25]:
Who are they when you roll over in bed and say no for really good reasons? We know you have good reasons. Now is not the time for your good reasons. Now your mission is, can I understand what the heck happens to my partner when they want something beautiful and they’re told no? Because this is a pretty shitty place. And now I want to fight for you in that place where you’re chronically left alone.
Laurie Watson [00:14:47]:
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Laurie Watson [00:17:15]:
Okay, sexual pursuer, let’s hear it.
George Faller [00:17:17]:
I don’t know. What do you think our listeners want to hear? They want to hear you continue to be your vulnerable pursuer self said you are the sexual pursuer. Or they want to hear Joey do it and find his words.
Laurie Watson [00:17:28]:
I think Joey should do it. He’s classically the sexual pursuer in our role plays.
George Faller [00:17:33]:
Yep. All right, so remember, Joey has already had success with his emotional withdrawing part. Right. So he sees the value in coming forward. So he’s initiating this conversation where that might sound wild because he normally doesn’t initiate conversations, but the sexual pursuer part of him does want to initiate some conversation. So I got both of my parts kind of pushing me forward because I want Something different. I want to get what Janie got right, which is helping these places instead of always dealing with it alone. All right, so.
Laurie Watson [00:18:07]:
Okay, I’m ready to help you.
George Faller [00:18:10]:
All right. Well, Janie, I. You know, I feel like things are so much better with us emotionally, even sexually. Like, you’re.
Laurie Watson [00:18:20]:
They are.
George Faller [00:18:21]:
You know, you are. Re engaging. You’re kind of talking about what’s getting. In a way, I feel like you’re so much more present. I feel like you freed up some of your own fears and stuff, and it’s made you more engaged for yourself. So, I mean, it’s just been wonderful. Right. And I.
George Faller [00:18:36]:
I just so appreciate that. I mean, again, if this is better than I thought we were ever going to have, so, you know, that’s.
Laurie Watson [00:18:44]:
That’s good because I, you know, I’ve been trying, and I. I really, you know, want to be present with you, so I. I appreciate you noticing that.
George Faller [00:18:55]:
No, that’s definitely true. And I think because of that, sometimes it gets harder when we miss each other. Like, I know we’re going to miss each other. Right. We have different energies and timing and that’s. Everybody misses each other. But, you know, I never really talk about what happens to me. Like, I usually get frustrated at you.
George Faller [00:19:16]:
Right. And I send you messages, and then you do your thing and we get into our negative cycle. And I really been noticing, like, when we do miss each other, like the other night, and, you know, I know you were tired, and I just was. Was energized, and I just really wanted to kind of connect physically and. And I get it was the wrong time. And I can appreciate when you say no and you don’t want to, because the last thing I want you to do is having sex just for me.
Laurie Watson [00:19:40]:
Yeah.
George Faller [00:19:40]:
So again, my intellectual brain gets that.
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Laurie Watson [00:19:43]:
And. And that night was good. Like, I mean, I. I felt like you received my no, and we didn’t spin out, and we stayed connected. We were able to cuddle and hold each other, and I still felt close to you, and I. I appreciated that so much, too. So I. I get it.
Laurie Watson [00:20:00]:
But I do wonder sometimes, you know, I. I like, what does happen for you? Like that night, what happened for you when you. When I said no? I mean, you. You stayed with me. But what happens?
George Faller [00:20:13]:
I feel. Yeah. I mean, I feel great that the no doesn’t just bring out the rage and protest like it used to.
Laurie Watson [00:20:19]:
Yeah.
George Faller [00:20:20]:
So it does feel different, too. But it is like, you know, what happens to me is I’m kind of laying in bed and I’m, like, disappointed. It’s like, I just. Because things have been so. Going so well. I just thought it was. Yeah. And we’d have fun, so I just kind of didn’t get that.
George Faller [00:20:38]:
And so. And then I start, you know, I start to. Some of the tapes start to play that, like, well, maybe the reason why you don’t want to have sex is actually me. Like, I’m. I’m not interested enough or I’m not attractive enough to you. I know I’m getting a little older now, and I think, well, you know, maybe it’s. It’s really. It is my problem that it’s easy to blame you, but it’s.
George Faller [00:21:06]:
Deep down, I guess there is a part of me that says, this is something about me that kind of deserves that. That I’m just too much. I’m too sexual. I’m too. Like, It’s. I’ve just always gotten these messages, like, this energy is wrong. It’s. It’s my fault.
George Faller [00:21:23]:
And I guess there’s part of me that believes it is me. I’m just. I’m just. I’m the problem.
Laurie Watson [00:21:28]:
Yeah, I get that. I. I can see, you know, and I’ve certainly said things like that to you and sent you messages like, all you want is sex and, you know, accused you of being shallow. And, I mean, just, like, all of this, like, that. It’s not important. I know I’ve sent a lot of those messages and said that to you, so I can imagine this is not a good place. Like, when I say no, and you, you know, go through that, that it’s. It must be you.
Laurie Watson [00:21:58]:
And I know you worry about being attractive and, you know, like, yeah, we’re both getting older. And I know you’ve said a few things recently, worried about that kind of stuff. And so I guess that all gets triggered when I say no, too. That it’s not a good thing.
George Faller [00:22:16]:
I mean, not too worried. I may still look pretty good for my age, but.
Laurie Watson [00:22:22]:
You’Re still hot, baby.
George Faller [00:22:23]:
Well, thank you. But again, it feels surreal that I’m even naming these things that I’ve never really said before. That it actually. I can feel a hurt in my chest that says, like, I kind of deserve this rejection because I’m just too much for people. My energy is too much for people. And then it feels like there’s something bad inside of me. There’s something, like, wrong inside of me that’s. I don’t know.
George Faller [00:22:54]:
This just feels bad.
Laurie Watson [00:22:57]:
It’s a terrible place, terrible thing. I can just. When you say it like that you feel that inside. It’s like suddenly I’m feeling it inside, too. How bad it must feel in your body to. To say I’m just bad inside, and to feel like that’s the root of this whole thing. I’m just bad inside and too much and, you know, I know. You know, you were kind of like a hyperactive kid, and I’m sure you got those messages, all your energy, you know, just being so much.
Laurie Watson [00:23:34]:
I’m. I. You know, and I. You know, when you tell me those stories, I hate it back then, and I hate that somehow or another it’s here again between us. Like that you’re feeling. You’re bad and wrong and just too much energy sexually. And, you know, I.
George Faller [00:23:51]:
It’s funny you say that, because I’m having the image of when I was a little kid. I remember I wanted ice cream. I just wanted that ice cream and ice cream with the colored sprinkles and, like.
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George Faller [00:24:01]:
My mom was like, no, like, you shouldn’t want that. Like, you’re paid for wanting that. Like, you’re not getting that.
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And I was like, oh, okay. Like, I shouldn’t want the ice cream. Maybe there’s something wrong with my wants, I guess.
Laurie Watson [00:24:15]:
Yeah. That makes me want to cry. Honey, that’s just so sad. Right? It’s so natural. You wanted something wonderful and delightful when you were a child. And I know your family struggled, so she was. You know, things would be better if you didn’t want things she couldn’t afford. You know, and maybe that’s what it feels like again, you know, things would.
Laurie Watson [00:24:37]:
Be better if you didn’t want what.
Laurie Watson [00:24:39]:
You want from me. And I didn’t have all this background of trauma and stuff to get through. But I think, you know, what you’re wanting is so healthy. It’s so good. What you wanted as a boy was natural and delightful. And I think you’re bringing that energy to us, and we need that energy. And it’s. It is a good thing.
Laurie Watson [00:25:01]:
And, yeah, there’s been a lot of blocks in me, but I. I just want to say, you know, I. I’m sorry that you’re in this blocked place from me, and it just recreates that sense of being bad. But, you know, and I. I get why you feel that because of all my rejection. For so many years. You know, for so many years, it’s taken us to get to this conversation, but I’m. I’m really glad you’re telling me.
Laurie Watson [00:25:27]:
I’m glad you’re telling me about this and connecting it to it, because I suddenly see you. I see that delight in you.
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And I just, you know, we need that. We need that. And I’m so glad you’re telling me about this pain, because I want to.
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Laurie Watson [00:25:43]:
I want it to be different. And I. I just. I don’t think you’ve ever told me things like this before.
George Faller [00:25:50]:
I don’t think I’ve ever really thought that deeply about it. But so, again, it feels good. I think what I hear you saying is, like, it’s okay to want these things. I’m not bad because I want these things.
Laurie Watson [00:26:01]:
You are not bad because you want these things. These things are good things. We need you to want these things. I need you to want these things. And I want to celebrate the want in you. You know, it’s a good thing. And I know that I’ve been really rejecting. So I understand how burned out you’ve been and how you’ve, you know, felt like it’s just a problem in you, but it’s not.
Laurie Watson [00:26:27]:
And I want to fight with you for us to have this and bring this part that is delight in our physical life, our sexual life. Like, I want it to. To be good. I want to honor that part of you.
George Faller [00:26:42]:
You little hot thing. Get over here, you little minx. If you.
Laurie Watson [00:26:47]:
You little minx.
George Faller [00:26:48]:
You know, Sexual pursuer. I can feel myself lightened. I can feel myself shedding a lot of the. The, you know, the stress, the tension I carry. Can feel that pain in my chest just kind of dissolve, right? And I can feel that want and then coming out again. Like, it’s like. Right. Are you excited? It’s okay.
George Faller [00:27:05]:
Like, I can express this. And, like, before you know it, that. That. That desire is kind of back online again, which is really pretty feeling really awesome in this role play. To experience that shift from, like, this heaviness to this, like. All right, this is. We’re good to go here. I can get the ice cream.
George Faller [00:27:21]:
I want it.
Laurie Watson [00:27:22]:
Give me some ice cream and sprinkles, please. Yeah. Sex and sex toys. Yeah. That’s awesome.
George Faller [00:27:33]:
And I appreciated Janie’s focus on me. Right. And empathy in a place I normally don’t get it. Right. I’m always left alone, and I’m so critical of myself. I say, I deserve it, so that’s healing. When somebody else says, no, it’s okay you felt this way. I’m sorry I put you in this position.
George Faller [00:27:49]:
I want to do it differently. I don’t want you to Be alone. And all of a sudden my brain is getting like. These are messages it normal doesn’t receive here.
Laurie Watson [00:27:58]:
Yeah, definitely. The. She wants to fight with him for. For this. This is good.
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Laurie Watson [00:28:35]:
Yeah, yeah. I mean, too. I think as a sexual pursuer, listening to the male version of it, you know, it resonates. As a female sexual pursuer, I think my roots would have been slightly different, but I loved everything that you said, you know, it hit me. It was. It was good.
George Faller [00:28:57]:
Yeah. And that’s the fun part about the role play. Sometimes your words become a little bit clearer. That part of me that felt like, I shouldn’t want this, I’m bad for wanting this. Like, that was like, God, that. Does that resonate with so many sexual pursuers?
Laurie Watson [00:29:11]:
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, definitely. And I. I think, you know, other layers for female sexual pursuers. Right. The culture, yeah. Says, look sexy, don’t be sexual, don’t really want it. And, you know, we got other layers in there too, of how it’s bad.
Laurie Watson [00:29:29]:
I think if you’re a male sexual pursuer, the only blessing is you’re in the majority. You know, it’s okay. You know, we. We sanction that men should want sex. But.
George Faller [00:29:42]:
Well, we’re going to talk about in the upcoming modules asking for help in this place. But this is the start of that process, right, where the sexual pursuer can go to their pain and actually receive some reassurance, some comfort. Right. Which discharges that energy. Instead of me needing a focus on my partner and changing my partner and being frustrated, angry and unfair, that what’s driving it is this anxiety, this pain. Once you could comfort and reassure that it frees up this energy to actually express itself in a healthier way. Like a wanting ice cream is very different than saying, hey, what’s wrong with you? Why you don’t want to give me ice cream? That’s the shift that’s really super important to create secure sexual cycle.
Laurie Watson [00:30:29]:
And so many sexual pursuers have burned out, right. They’ve many times just tried to give up their own desire and all of that, you know, so this is the.
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Laurie Watson [00:30:40]:
Sense to say they’re reengaged. They get back in touch once they have success. In this conversation with the want, you know, that they can want again, that it’s safe to want again, you know, and that’s. Ooh, that’s good news.
George Faller [00:30:54]:
That’s good news. That’s. We hope our listeners are getting excited. Even if you fall short of this target that you’re aiming for, it already is much better than what most couples out there are doing. It’s a clear target that says we’re going to miss each other at some times, and when we do, we go to vulnerable places. And if we can learn to let each other. And there isn’t that much distance. If there’s not that much distance, we don’t need the defenses.
George Faller [00:31:15]:
And it really just gives a lot more room to feel safe in your relationship.
Laurie Watson [00:31:20]:
Yeah. Yeah. Oh, okay. Well, thanks for listening.
George Faller [00:31:26]:
Keep it hot, y’. All.
Laurie Watson [00:31:27]:
So some of you are interested in our work. We want to tell you where we are, what we’re doing.
George Faller [00:31:32]:
In January 23rd to 25th, we’re coming to Nashville in person to do three days of really kind of breaking down this process. And again, I think this should be mandatory for all therapists to just kind of have more confidence in knowing what to do and work with the sexual cycle.
Laurie Watson [00:31:47]:
Yeah, we’ve already had lots of signups for that. By the way, George, people are also taking advantage of that early bird special. You know, we want supervisors to come. We’re giving half off to the supervisors. So please join us so that we.
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Laurie Watson [00:32:02]:
Page and understand and develop eft further. There’s going to be two days of lecture and exercises, and then a day maybe with a live and, you know, working on your tapes and your stuck places. And we’re going to go down to the honky Tonk and have dinner together.
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George Faller [00:32:21]:
Have some fun.
Laurie Watson [00:32:22]:
Have some fun. Yeehaw.
George Faller [00:32:24]:
Yeehaw. And for all you listen is, again, if you have a community and you want Laurie and I to come out and give a specialized training on sex. And again, I think this is so important for anybody seeing couples. Then, you know, reach out to us and let’s continue to spread this message. Yeehaw.
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