Welcome Foreplay listeners! Today’s episode is another in our ‘School of Love’ series that we are close to completing. We are talking today about how to stay and keep focused on the pursuing partner as they express their vulnerability.
Listen in as George and Laurie breakdown the steps a couple needs to have completed before getting to this point and how both partners can stay focused on the pursuer’s pain. This is a place where withdrawers are now able to give their pursuing partner love that they never received before. This can be scary territory for both but this is also the place where a new, positive and secure cycle is created. The key here is responsiveness.
Focus on ways to respond to your partner’s pain that helps them feel seen, heard and understood. These are key attachment needs that are important to us ALL.
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George Faller [00:01:50]:
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Laurie Watson [00:01:54]:
Welcome to the School of Love.
George Faller [00:01:56]:
Let’s do it. Our chance to break down the therapy process so you can do it at home without a therapist. We’re getting closer and closer to finishing the School of Love. Here we are. We’re gonna help keep focus these withdrawals emotionally and sexually. Gotta keep the focus on the pursuer, baby.
Laurie Watson [00:02:17]:
Okay, here we go again. Welcome to Foreplay sex therapy. I’m Dr. Lori Watson, your sex therapist.
George Faller [00:02:26]:
And I’m George Fowler, your couples therapist.
Laurie Watson [00:02:28]:
We are here to talk about sex.
George Faller [00:02:31]:
Our mission is to help couples talk about sex. In ways that incorporate their body, their mind and their hearts.
Laurie Watson [00:02:39]:
And we have a little bit of fun doing it. Right.
George Faller [00:02:40]:
G listen. And let’s change some relationships. Here we go again.
Laurie Watson [00:02:45]:
Wait, wait, wait. First, I want to invite everybody, right. To our Patreon page, which is on our website, foreplaysextherapy.com and thank you so much for your support. We’re actually, they’re changing platforms, so it’s going to be a little tricky right now. But if you would love to join our mission and help support us, we would love to have you. And also we want to invite therapists to two trainings that we’re doing. One in January, which is in Nashville, and one in February, that is in Arkansas, and that is both on our website as well. So depending on the part of country you are at, uh, the first one’s a three day one, and the second one is a two day one in Arkansas.
Laurie Watson [00:03:27]:
So.
George Faller [00:03:27]:
And both, Lori, the patrons or the therapists showing up, all that engagement is so helping. That mission of us getting clearer helps us in what we’re writing again, these ideas of being tested and getting more specific and it’s going to be a game changer.
Laurie Watson [00:03:44]:
Yeah, I’m excited.
George Faller [00:03:46]:
Very.
Laurie Watson [00:03:46]:
And you know, I love teaching because Makes us clearer. So that’s always a good time.
George Faller [00:03:52]:
That’s right. So thank you all. For our listeners, all the feedback, this is the stuff we need. Challenge us, question us, disagree with us, argue support. It’s all good. Right? All feedback is just different perspectives as we’re trying to, you know, have a message that’s clear.
Laurie Watson [00:04:08]:
Exactly. So speaking of that, speaking of clear, so, you know, when we started this episode, I was like, george, we have done this. You know, it just, it feels so repetitive. And even though I’m an EFT therapist, it just still felt like we had done this. And you’re like, no, we haven’t done it for the pursuer. And I’m just like, it feels like we have. But what you’re saying is this is the time when the pursuer is sharing their heart and their partner can’t accept it. And so as a couple, what do you do when you’re a pursuer and your partner is like, unable to kind of support you and feels doubt about or, you know, rejects you or resists what you’re saying about how difficult it is for you?
George Faller [00:04:59]:
Doesn’t feel good. Doesn’t feel good. I again, I like.
Laurie Watson [00:05:05]:
Doesn’t feel good.
George Faller [00:05:06]:
I like to zoom out, to just.
Laurie Watson [00:05:08]:
Okay, zoom out for me because I.
George Faller [00:05:10]:
Keep off focus all right.
Laurie Watson [00:05:12]:
It’s feeling repetitive to me.
George Faller [00:05:13]:
There are three change events. That really is the process that everybody’s going through as a couple. The first is de escalation, helping the couple understand their negative cycle, both in the emotional cycle and the sexual cycle. Right? They switch roles. They have the same roles. They really need to understand, start to externalize that as the problem, start working together to try to change that. Only way to change a negative cycle is both people got to do something different. That’s the first change event.
George Faller [00:05:41]:
The second is withdrawal reengagement. You got to get the withdrawals in both the emotional and sexual cycle to have success with CO regulation. Have success with these emotions.
Laurie Watson [00:05:52]:
Say that in English. Say that in English. What does it mean to have success with CO regulation?
George Faller [00:05:57]:
You have to be able to kind of right before you go away, to protect yourself. You feel like you’re failing, there’s an ouch. There’s always a hurt that. That kicks in the action, the protective move. Right. What they have to learn is how to tolerate that feeling and actually share it and get help with that feeling. If you get help with feeling like a failure when you’re feeling criticized, you wouldn’t need to go away, right? You’d be able to kind of experience what connection can give you the value of connection. So we want withdrawals to embody that, to know that, like, wait a second, there is a different way of dealing with this threat than just leaving or putting up walls.
George Faller [00:06:33]:
I actually can talk about and feel better afterwards. Once they experience that we have what we call withdrawal re engagement, they’re kind of back on the dance floor. They can see the value of these conversations. Then we go for the third and final change event, which is the pursuer softening, which is what we’re talking about now. The pursuer now has to do the same thing. They often can ask for help, but they do it in an angry, critical way. Now we’re going to try to go on to underneath that. You called it something in the last episode and you didn’t like the word, you know, softening, because it is a form of we got to get them to reengage, too.
Laurie Watson [00:07:09]:
Well, what I didn’t like is, right, the pursuer’s protest is going to be, I have done it softly, right? Like you’re saying I need to do this softly. But I’ve asked, I’ve approached, I’ve done every which way but loose, you know, trying to get my partner’s engagement. So they’re going to say, look at I. I have Tried this.
George Faller [00:07:30]:
Yep. Which is why I liked your adjustment, almost calling it pursuer re engagement because they’re so focused on the withdrawal and getting them to do things differently that they really don’t know themselves either. They don’t know their vulnerability. They don’t put words to feeling unlovable or broken or too much or anxious. Right. And now we want the pursuers to do that. So first they gotta face it. They gotta go into the pain and hurt and start expressing that.
George Faller [00:07:58]:
Right. And now we are part of the process where we’re trying to get the withdrawer to keep their focus on the pursuer. This isn’t a time to get lost or to back away or to put up walls. Right. Because that’s just protecting self. We really want. We talked about when we were doing with your re engagement, the green, the yellow and the red lights. We want it.
George Faller [00:08:22]:
We really want to help the mission. Let’s just keep it clear because this is confusing because we’re introducing emotional cycle, sexual cycle. And you know, the mission is for you now as the pursuer. So we’re going to go to Joey and Janie as the emotional pursuer. You need to have success with the feelings underneath the criticism and the anger. To do that, me as your partner has to be able to stay engaged and to kind of be empathetic and to be focused on you when you do that. To see the value in fighting for you and connecting for you. Because remember, you’ve done this for me.
George Faller [00:09:02]:
I’ve asked for help in this place and you’ve given my body a gift of what it feels like. It’s a lot easier for me to handle that feeling of failure when you’re holding me. Instead of me having to run away. Now that my body has experienced that, I want to give that back to you. So I want to be able to focus on your pain and. And be able to help you in that pain.
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George Faller [00:11:07]:
Drink responsibly and what we’d expect along this way is, even though I want to do that, that’s the longing. I don’t have a lot of practice doing it. So I might not be able to stay green because sometimes I get nervous and my body’s still going to want to probably protect itself by going away. This would not be a good time for me to protect myself and going away.
Laurie Watson [00:11:28]:
Okay, but what if you do and it’s just you and I, that’s. This is so tricky. It’s like, I really want us to help people, like, especially the pursuer, if they’re softer and they’re vulnerable and they’re talking about their stuff and their partner can’t manage, which is likely, right? Even at this stage in the, you know, in our healing process, it’s likely that, you know, they don’t know what to do.
George Faller [00:11:58]:
This is the balance that we’re trying to provide. You know, a couple, it needs to be reciprocal. Both of them need to respond to each other’s attachment needs. This couple, if you ask the withdrawer to show up and keep their focus on a pursuer, they can’t do it in stage one because they’re not deescalated. And even once you get them to de escalate, if they don’t know what it feels like to have success with these vulnerabilities, they’re not going to know how to do it. So you have to have those two in place before you get to this point. Now we’re going to have to give them reps. Right? The withdrawal is going to wobble.
George Faller [00:12:32]:
They’re not going to know what to do. And it’s safer for them to disengage when they don’t know what to do. But this is where we’re helping them. Starting to repair. I got to start taking ownership to say, hey, Janie, you know, I did it again. You were talking about your anxiety, and it does overwhelm me sometimes. And, like, if I’m not conscious, my body wants to tune out and go away, but I know that’s so unfair. It leaves you alone, and then you start to beat yourself up.
George Faller [00:12:54]:
And I hate that that happened. So I’m sorry I did that again. I want to get better at it. All you’re asking is to not be alone in these places. I can do that. I can do that for you. So you see how I just reset myself? I noticed that yellow light. I noticed my mistrust.
George Faller [00:13:08]:
I noticed my old move kick in. And then all of a sudden, I take ownership for that and I’m able to come back to you and reset and refocus on you.
Laurie Watson [00:13:17]:
Yeah, yeah.
George Faller [00:13:19]:
You tend to not get big red lights, like, which is like, go see your therapist. I don’t want to talk to you about this. Like, I don’t want to engage. You might get that in stage one. But at this point, you know, especially in therapy, I’m always trying to remind the witcher, hey, remember what your partner gave you. Remember how your partner showed up for you in these places no one else ever has before, and how good that felt to not always be alone with feeling like a failure to actually have somebody else hold that with you. This is your. Your turn to reciprocate that.
George Faller [00:13:55]:
To give your partner love in places they’ve never received it before. So, again, this is. It’s nice to have a process that anticipates the challenges to changing. I gotta get you to share underneath your anger, your vulnerability and your pain. And I gotta get the withdrawer to keep the focus, to not protect themselves by going away. Both people have to show a new move to create a positive cycle.
Laurie Watson [00:14:24]:
Yeah. And I mean, when we are sort of managing a couple in therapy, we’re sort of the bigger other. Right? We’re more empathic than either one of them are because we don’t. I mean, we. We can care about both people at the same Time and see it. I guess my concern is. And maybe this is just my pursuer concern, you know, like, am I going to be caught? You know, is my partner really going to catch me in this? You know, when. When I’ve tried so many times, it’s.
Laurie Watson [00:14:57]:
It’s really anxiety producing to do this.
George Faller [00:15:01]:
Yeah.
Laurie Watson [00:15:01]:
I guess what I can say, that’s.
George Faller [00:15:03]:
Why these are hard moments for our listeners. And if you need a little extra help, that’s where therapy, having somebody keep the focus is so important. But yes, if Janie can’t talk about her vulnerability because she’s worried about me and she goes back to focus it on me, and then I take debate and I hear her focus on me, doubting if I’m going to catch her as criticism and I don’t want to engage, we’re right back into that negative loop where she’s being critical and I’m disengaging. Remember the goal. The goal at this point is for Janie to talk about herself and her own fears and for Joey to lock down and focus on helping her in that place where he typically goes away. Those are two new moves that have to show themselves at the same time. For a couple to have success in these places, they typically have failure.
Laurie Watson [00:15:49]:
Okay, the first move is. Say it again.
George Faller [00:15:54]:
The first move is the pursuer trying to go deeper into their vulnerabilities, staying focused on themselves and sharing the hurt and the fears and insecurities and the vulnerabilities that are in these places of the negative cycle. So you’re keeping a focus on you as you’re doing it. I’m seeing the value of you doing it. I’m not trying to protect myself by going away. I’m trying to give you the missing ingredient, which is empathy and connection. In places, you chronically experience isolation, abandonment, and shame. When you start to line those two up, you risk invulnerability and me responding to that vulnerability, you start to have those limbic revisions, those corrective emotional experiences, like bodies relearn how to do emotion because they get success in places they normally get dropped. There’s no shortcut to that.
George Faller [00:16:47]:
Like, we’re just trying to help you listeners get a target of what if you could start envision what it would look like differently, a different conversation, you could actually start working in that direction. But the problem is most couples have no idea what a successful conversation looks like. That’s the beauty of having a map that says, I’ve helped thousands of couple. We’ve helped thousands of couples have these exact conversations over and over again, we’ve cracked the code of love. It isn’t that mysterious. We know what people actually have to do, what works and what doesn’t work. That’s why this school of love is super important. Right.
George Faller [00:17:21]:
Because we’re not. We’re not just hoping and guessing and throwing things out there. We know what’s going to work and not work.
Laurie Watson [00:17:27]:
Yeah.
George Faller [00:17:27]:
And we’re trying to invite you all.
Laurie Watson [00:17:29]:
Into that process, even if the therapist gets a little confused here.
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Yeah, well, it’s.
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Laurie Watson [00:20:43]:
It’s just like, so, so confusing though, because we’ve seemed to have done this again.
George Faller [00:20:50]:
It really is four conversations. If you take a typical crisscross couple, the emotional withdrawer has to re. Engage and talk about their pain. The emotional pursuer has to focus on that. Check that box. We’ve done that one.
Laurie Watson [00:21:07]:
Yeah.
George Faller [00:21:08]:
Then the second one is now the. The sexual withdrawer has to go into their hurt and pain. And as they do that, the sexual pursuer has to be able to focus on that which you are kind of give them success. Check that box. So once we’ve done those two, we have withdrawal. Re engagement. Okay, now we’re going to the third one. The emotional pursuer has to risk going into their pain.
Laurie Watson [00:21:35]:
Right.
George Faller [00:21:37]:
And the. What we’re talking about here is as they do that, the emotional withdraw, withdraw. Has to keep the focus, has to catch them. That’s great image. Right. Okay, check that box. That’s what we just talked about. This last one, this fourth one is now the sexual pursuer has to go into their pain and the sexual withdrawer has to catch them.
George Faller [00:22:00]:
Okay, so those are four different conversations. Okay, so if Laurie’s getting confused, having done this for decades, it’s okay if some of our listeners are getting confused.
Laurie Watson [00:22:12]:
Yeah.
George Faller [00:22:13]:
Right. And again, all to kind of alleviate some of that fear. This, we’re not just making this up. This is what the. These are science, the steps, the map. That’s saying when both couples in both partners in both cycles can basically tap into their vulnerability. And if that’s the mission, their vulnerability, other partner’s job is to focus on that and give them some success and to respond to that. So this episode is about the partner who’s responding.
George Faller [00:22:43]:
This isn’t a time for them to talk about Their stuff. They want to keep their focus on responding to their partner. So now in Joey and Janie, right, I am now the sexual pursuer, right? Janie is the sexual withdrawer. You now, Janie got to focus on me in the sexual cycle. I’m going to tap into this place where I feel rejected. I start to feel like maybe I’m not a good lover. I start to feel maybe I’m defective or I want too much sex or like, you know, I feel bad about myself, I’m in shame, and I’m willing to go there, not focus on you.
Laurie Watson [00:23:17]:
You’re a pursuer. Light. I don’t know about that. We’ll see. We’ll see, we’ll see. Okay, so.
George Faller [00:23:26]:
But this isn’t. This isn’t. I mean, that the mission is me going there. But we’re really trying to help the.
Laurie Watson [00:23:32]:
But it’s. We want to help this person.
George Faller [00:23:37]:
We’re trying to help you. The sexual withdraw. Stay grounded so you can focus and respond to me because this is hard. As I’m starting to go into these places, a lot of times my language could. Could slip into words like, you know, I just feel unlovable because you just don’t want to have sex with me. And, like, I could say things that could make the withdrawal. They want to respond, but they can get triggered and they could wobble and they could get lost. And then they start going back to the old move of protecting themselves.
George Faller [00:24:04]:
And if they go back to protecting themselves, you know, they’re going to disappear and I’m going to get dropped and I’m going to get angry. So it’s so easy for the negative cycle to show itself again in these moments. And it’s not the end of the world. You just got to get better. Repairing every time the sexual withdrawer in this moment can catch themselves and say, hey, you know what? I’m sorry I did it again. It’s so hard for me to not get lost in me and want to defend myself or to kind of, you know, talk you out of it. And then all that does is leave you alone in this place. And no, I don’t want you to be alone.
George Faller [00:24:34]:
I’m back. I’m focused on you. Like, it is so important to be able to catch that in yourself.
Laurie Watson [00:24:39]:
Okay, so my role when I’m listening to you as the sexual pursuer, tell me your vulnerability is keep the focus on you. And if I do get triggered and if I do blow it, come back around and just say, come back around. Okay, here I am again. I’M feeling that defense. I’m doing my thing, but I’m resetting. I don’t want to leave you. I don’t want to drop you. I want to be with you so that you get the success that you need.
George Faller [00:25:11]:
And those triggers that you’re having, those are important. We will get to them. They should be the mission. Right. When you start to feel like I’m failing again and like, we want you to have help with those feelings. Right. But this isn’t the time to shift a mission. Because when you shift a mission, you start to make it about you.
George Faller [00:25:27]:
You drop that person who’s taking a risk and letting you into the world. Why the pursuers don’t want to talk is they get dropped all the time. We don’t want to drop them.
Laurie Watson [00:25:36]:
In these moments, pursuers do want to talk. You mean, why do people want to talk?
George Faller [00:25:42]:
But they don’t. They don’t want to share their vulnerability.
Laurie Watson [00:25:45]:
Their vulnerability. Because. Yeah, it’s. It doesn’t make any sense. Yeah, right. I mean, I. I grew up with fight. You know, fight was strength.
Laurie Watson [00:25:55]:
And when I play chess, I never want to retreat. I always want to move forward. You know, it’s like that’s how you get there. That’s how you get to. The goal is you always are moving forward. And when you are in vulnerability, it feels like retreat. It feels like losing, it feels powerless. It feels bad.
Laurie Watson [00:26:16]:
You know, all of those, like, tough emotions.
George Faller [00:26:19]:
Yeah, that’s why it’s hard.
Laurie Watson [00:26:21]:
It connects us to our partner because we’re actually letting them see the real self. Like, letting them see underneath the anger.
George Faller [00:26:30]:
That’s the trap of the anger. It gives you control, it gives you power, it gives you a voice. But it does so at the cost of making a partner go away. This is why this is so radical. You gotta kind of put that aside and, like, take your heart and hand it over to your partner. It’s so risky. That’s why we want to make sure the partner’s in the space where they know this risk and they’re going to work their tails off to respond and not drop that person and give them success. But we also know change takes time.
George Faller [00:26:56]:
And you’re not going to do this perfectly the first time and you’re going to miss each other a little bit. But now we have a process of starting to help the couple repair. So maybe we could role model this. Right.
Laurie Watson [00:27:06]:
Let’s do this really quick, because I’ll be Joey.
George Faller [00:27:08]:
I’m going to share.
Laurie Watson [00:27:09]:
Sexual pursuer talking to the sexual withdrawer Right.
George Faller [00:27:13]:
And I’m going to slip in some language that might go a little critical, and then you’re going to check out on me, and then you’re going to come back.
Laurie Watson [00:27:21]:
I’m going to catch myself. Okay. Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha. Okay. So you are in total vulnerability here.
George Faller [00:27:27]:
I’m in vulnerability. So. So, Janie, it’s just, you know, honestly, I don’t talk much about this place. It’s easier to focus on what you’re doing and what you could do more of. But, you know, once I sit with myself, you know, and I just. That feeling of rejection, like, I can feel. I just want to blame you for that. But, I mean, honestly, there’s something inside of me that’s like, maybe it’s me.
George Faller [00:27:54]:
It’s. It has to be me. I mean, there’s something just, I guess, inadequate inside of me that if I was a better lover or I was more interesting or maybe more romantic, I don’t know what it is.
Laurie Watson [00:28:06]:
Yeah, right. Yeah. But it’s not a good feeling. It’s not.
George Faller [00:28:09]:
Part of me thinks it’s like, I’m just bad. I’m just, like, the wrong person. I mean, just the tapes that play in this place are pretty horrible.
Laurie Watson [00:28:18]:
Wow. I know. And this is why I didn’t realize that, honey, that you feel bad and that you’re, like, suddenly analyzing yourself and saying, maybe it’s you, you’re bad. Or that, like, I want somebody else, you’re the wrong person.
George Faller [00:28:34]:
Which is why I hope you understand why I want you to initiate more. Because, again, if you could just initiate, it would, like, help me in those places. And, you know, I don’t know why you can’t do that more. We talked about it so much.
Laurie Watson [00:28:50]:
Well, I mean, it’s not because you’re bad, but, honey, there are, like, you know, there’s other things that I’ve tried to tell you about that, you know, why I can initiate. And we, you know. Okay, we’re doing the thing again, and I don’t want to do that. I want to. Can we just take a breath here? Okay? We can talk about initiation. And I know that’s important, sweetheart, and let’s get to that a little bit later. But I wanted to go back to that place you were talking about where you feel bad and, like, I want. Maybe I don’t think you’re a good lover.
Laurie Watson [00:29:23]:
And that’s what you’re telling yourself? Like, maybe I’m not any good, and maybe you’re the wrong person for me. I mean, can you tell me more about what that feels like inside you?
George Faller [00:29:33]:
All right, good. Let’s pause it there.
Laurie Watson [00:29:35]:
Okay.
George Faller [00:29:35]:
So again, I hope you all caught what. What Janie did, which is not easy to do. She started to kind of defend herself. She started to kind of give reasons why she was disengaging from the emotion, from what it felt like to respond to Joey. Right. And then she said, can we reset? And part of the reset, we want you all to, as you listen, is to try to take ownership. Like, I’m sorry, I was doing. Again, I was going to start checking out in my defensive.
Laurie Watson [00:30:01]:
Okay.
George Faller [00:30:02]:
I’m good intent for that. Right. But it’s the bad timing for you because I want to show you what you deserve, which is me holding you, being closer to you in this place. So let’s try that again and again. Janie did a great job of resetting, you know, not taking the bait, going back to what’s the core of the new message? Right. I feel bad. I never talk about that feeling. I never have success with that feeling.
Laurie Watson [00:30:23]:
Right.
George Faller [00:30:23]:
And her chance to focus on that gives me that success.
Laurie Watson [00:30:27]:
Right, Right.
George Faller [00:30:28]:
Good job, Janie.
Laurie Watson [00:30:29]:
Thank you. But I like what you added there. That is important, is, like, basically talking about the process out loud. Like, I don’t want to do this. You don’t deserve me to be defensive right here. You deserve my attention in this bad place. Like, just making that even explicit by talking about it helps us, like, understand ourselves so much better. Like, in that process, it’s not just.
George Faller [00:30:59]:
A gift you’re given this sexual pursuer so they have success. It’s a gift you’re giving yourself that you start making more conscious choices. You don’t have to let these defenses do what they want to do all the time and insert themselves whenever they want. You can have choices, and the best way to develop choices, to take ownership when it happens and to really evaluate, do I want this? I can’t tell you how many times when. When people learn to hold back that part that wants to jump in, and then like 15 minutes later, they say to themselves, like, you know what? It really wasn’t that relevant what I wanted to jump in with. I learned not to shift the mission. All of a sudden, my partner goes to such a deeper place, and I like myself so much better when I can show up for them. Right.
George Faller [00:31:38]:
Being able to hold back these protesting parts or these interrupting parts, these parts that, you know, want to set the record straight or kind of talk about you. They’re all super important. They definitely need to be Addressed at some point. This is just not the right time.
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George Faller [00:33:05]:
Yeah. Success and vulnerability. That’s the whole damn point of what we’re trying to get couples to experience.
Laurie Watson [00:33:11]:
Yeah. Okay. Thanks for listening.
George Faller [00:33:15]:
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Laurie Watson [00:33:16]:
So some of you are interested in our work. We want to tell you where we.
George Faller [00:33:20]:
Are, what we’re doing in January 23rd to 25th. We’re coming to Nashville in person to do three days of really kind of breaking down this process. And again, I think this should be mandatory for all therapists to just kind of have more confidence in knowing what to do and work with the sexual cycle.
Laurie Watson [00:33:36]:
Yeah, we’ve already had lots of signups for that. By the way, George, people are also taking advantage of that early bird special. You know, we want supervisors to come. We’re giving half off to the supervisors. So please join us so that we can kind of get on the same page and understand and develop eft further. There’s going to be two days of lecture and exercises, and then a day maybe with a live and, you know, working on your tapes and you’re stuck to places. And we’re gonna go down to the honky tonk and have dinner together and have some fun.
George Faller [00:34:10]:
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George Faller [00:34:13]:
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Laurie Watson [00:34:30]:
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