Welcome Foreplayers to another great episode in
the ‘School of Love.’ We are staying with the emotional pursuer in this
episode and asking them to reach deep. All to get the Hollywood ending
you’ve dreamed about as the pursuer…getting your emotional needs met.
The pursuer has discovered the unmet need below the protective move
which is often anger or criticism and now it’s their turn to share it
with their re-engaged withdrawer.
Our hosts provide a great role play
where they not only identify the need but ask their partner for help
here. This may sound like, “I feel unimportant here and I want to feel
really important to you. Can you help me here?” These are the
conversations that create secure relationships. If the negative cycle is
the clashing of unmet needs then the positive cycle is unmet needs met.
As you work towards this you will find that this space is much more
organic, fulfilling and natural than the previous negative cycle. As
Laurie says, “the molecules just all come together!”
Therapists, if
you’re wanting to help your clients gain more security in their sexual
relationship make sure you join us in Nashville in January for our next
training.
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BetterHelp.com/Foreplay for 10% off your first month!
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Transcript
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Laurie Watson [00:01:40]:
Welcome to the School of Love.
George Faller [00:01:41]:
Let’s do it. Our chance to break down the therapy process so you can do it at home without a therapist.
Laurie Watson [00:01:49]:
Okay, we talked last week about we know that this is difficult, but this is the moment that as an emotional pursuer, you’re going to really reach deep. Talk to your partner about what lives on the inside, what it feels like. Open the vest, baby. We’re going to go for this.
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Yeah. Let’s do it.
Laurie Watson [00:02:13]:
Welcome to Foreplay sex therapy. I’m Dr. Lori Watson, your sex therapist.
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And I’m George Fowler, your couples therapist.
Laurie Watson [00:02:20]:
We are here to talk about sex.
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Our mission is to help couples talk about sex in ways that incorporate their body, their mind and their hearts.
Laurie Watson [00:02:30]:
And we have a little bit of.
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Fun doing it right G Listen and let’s change some relationships. Lori Again, this is this is where you’re going to ask for help. This is the key change event in your life.
Laurie Watson [00:02:43]:
My favorite thing.
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This is the Hollywood moment. If you’re falling asleep, wake up around here, and this, this goal, this target of what it looks like when you can go to the core of your insecurities and your fears, tolerate, listen to the wisdom. Because every emotion is not only telling us the. Is telling us the solution. There’s always a longing and a want inside of our pain and our fears. Right now that we’ve created this safety and done all this work, it sets the stage to listen to those longings and actually ask for your partner to show up. And this is the most riskiest of moments. Literally, you’re saying, in this place where I feel unlovable, I don’t love myself.
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No one has ever loved me before. Can you love me? People don’t know the answer to this question. That’s what makes it so risky. But when you get an affirmative yes, when you get your partner to show up and love you in a place you have never been loved, it changes you. The world just becomes a safer place. So, again, I love as a therapist, every session I ever do, I’m thinking about this moment. Like, this couple just can’t do this. If they could, they probably wouldn’t be in my office.
Advertisement Speaker [00:03:48]:
Right. But it’s guiding what I’m trying to do. Like, this is the target of what secure attachment looks like, when we could ask for help in places we need it and receive that help. Right. Boom. That’s the power of attachment.
Laurie Watson [00:04:03]:
Yeah. You know, as I contemplate this, just as in my own self, George, as an emotional pursuer, there is this part that is so reluctant, not just to ask my partner, but really even just to go there myself.
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Yeah.
Laurie Watson [00:04:19]:
You know, it’s just for so many years, right. I protect myself. My, you know, my protective strategy is definitely anger. And it just feels so much safer to go to that than to look inside and to think about, you know, the unlovable places, the parts where I need my partner. I mean, all of that just, ugh, you know, and I’m so certain because I’ve been dropped by my parents, you know, by my family, you know, all this stuff. I’m so certain that it won’t work, that it’s really hard to think about doing this.
Advertisement Speaker [00:04:56]:
And that’s why the timing matters. Look at the work that’s been done up to this point. We’ve really understood the pursuer’s anger, its healthy function, why they focus on Their partner, how that, that really makes sense. We’ve helped them see a bigger picture where they can see the cycle where they both lose, how anger feeds avoidance and avoidance feeds anger. Both partners start to work together. They start to disarm the power of that negative cycle. Then you’ve had to withdraw, get back on the dance floor. They’ve gone into these places of vulnerability and asked for help.
Advertisement Speaker [00:05:29]:
The pursuer’s been able to give them help in a way no one else has before. That feels great. Right. And then the pursuers had many sessions where they’re able to talk about their hurt and their fears and the withdrawal has been able to respond to stay engaged, not go away. So this pursuer has had a lot of safety to get to this point. Right. That’s why you want that, you want the safety. You want somebody to be resource if they’re going to take the ultimate risk.
Advertisement Speaker [00:05:53]:
But we really want our listeners to get why this is the ultimate risk. Right. If I’m going to take my worst fear and ask for help, and you drop me here, this is where we feel obliterated. This is where it feels like death for people when they describe that if my worst fear is I’m unlovable, and you say, well, maybe you are, what do you do with that one?
Laurie Watson [00:06:11]:
Exactly. Exactly.
Advertisement Speaker [00:06:13]:
So we want to set the stage for all the work that needs to be done. Don’t rush this. I mean, pursuers ask for what they want all the time, but they usually do it in anger. What I want you to do is come home on time or initiate or, you know, all the words that they use. But that’s not coming from the same place of asking for help in the vulnerability. Right. That is the new move for the pursuer. And what you’re saying, Lori, is that’s, you know, it’s counterintuitive to want to do that.
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It’s counterintuitive to give your worst fears and your warts. I mean, you’re already being rejected from the best parts of who you are. Now you’re taking the worst parts and you’re showing that that’s like pursuers brains. Like what? Don’t do this, don’t do this. What are you doing? They’ve had so much training to hide this place and now we’re asking them to not only show it, but to actually invite their partner in and ask for their help.
Laurie Watson [00:07:03]:
Yeah. And they’ve already experienced, I mean, I think every pursuer’s experience is tons and tons of rejection.
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Yeah.
Laurie Watson [00:07:11]:
They’ve had so much Rejection in life and certainly with their partner, too, because they’ve been, you know, throwing themselves bloody against that brick wall, trying to get through, and all they hit is, you know, it makes them hurt. And so then it’s like, okay, and now I’m going to tell you all about this hurt.
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Yeah.
Laurie Watson [00:07:29]:
It just. It doesn’t make any sense logically.
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But that’s that good. Saying no risking, no getting here it is again, Laurie. It makes sense why it’s counterintuitive. But what’s the option? To not risk. To not risk means you will. You’re sentenced to isolation in these places where you need love the most. We do this with our kids. Right.
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We try to show them how we love them in their struggles and their brokenness. It’s unconditional. And how much safer is that for our kids that know even when they screw up, they’re going to be loved? You know, what is it like to be in a relationship where you can’t receive that love, where your love is conditional only when you’re doing things good or right and never when you’re doing it wrong? Right. That’s what changes the game.
Laurie Watson [00:08:11]:
Yeah.
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But I do want to highlight, Laurie, the difference between the pursuer at this point emotionally has been sharing fears and hurts. But there’s a difference between sharing fears and hurts and going to longings and wants. Right. This is. This is the why I say it’s the ultimate risk, because if you allow your heart to want something and put name words to that and then you get dropped, it feels so much worse than when you hedge your bets and you do it, you know, in a more frustrated way. Right. This is jumping off the cliff. We want to make sure that the partner, the which you are, is going to engage and catch before we set this risk up.
Laurie Watson [00:08:53]:
Yeah.
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But that longing is. Is the solution to the negative cycle. I wouldn’t need to be angry and critical if the want in my fear, I can get that want met. It’s a negative cycle is unmet needs. Therefore, a positive cycle is unmet needs met. Right. Met needs, longings met, wants met. This is the solution.
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Laurie Watson [00:09:26]:
Yeah. And this. So I got to figure out kind of what, for me, is going to make this feel better, Right?
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Which is why we want to start off this process of asking with going to the fear and the hurt. We want to get a physical marker. Like if you feel unlovable, you feel broken, you feel too much, where does your body usually manifest or hold onto that? Do you feel nauseous in your stomach? Do you feel constriction in your chest? We want to make sure you’re listening to your body because literally the fear and the hurt will allow the longing and the want to come out if we listen to it. Every emotion gives us the problem and the solution. But again, the problem with so many Couples is they don’t listen to their emotions. They’re focusing on the other person. They try to get away from their emotions. Right.
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But their solution is in that emotion. So when we role play it in a little while, you know, we’re going to start off with. With Janie in the pain, getting a physical marker. Right. We want to also make sure at this point that the partner is on mission, they’re in a green light. Like, as Joey, I am going to focus on Janie. I want to give Janie success here. I’m not wobbling.
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We’ve repaired. I’ve taken ownership for my move. I know it’s like, I’m going to show up in this moment. If the partner’s not going to show up, discontinue this conversation. I want to make sure I’m grounded and I’m ready to show work. It’s not going to work.
Laurie Watson [00:12:53]:
Okay, Right.
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And then when Janie goes, we want her to go from a place of view of self, right. To go into. Not only do I feel alone, but in that loneliness, the pain is I deserve to be left alone. Right? That’s the heart of the. Of the pain. And then in that place where I deserve it, what do I need? Not expecting Janie to have the answer. It’s probably going to take some while to, you know, give the space to allow the need to become clear. And then we want to set up that ask.
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Right? I mean, she’s going to have to go that place and say, you know, when I feel this, you know, I’m thinking about what pursuers have told me through the years. You know, I’m too much. No one has ever wanted me. I don’t want myself when I’m too much. But my heart has always wanted to hear that I’m not too much, that I am wanted. Can you want me? Can you see how, like, that bid for help is just so tender but so powerful? Because if I can get that want, if I can get my partner to come closer and say, yeah, I don’t have the perfect words here, but I know I want to give you that. This is easy for me. I know you don’t trust that.
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But, like, it really is the engagement, and we want the engagement from the withdrawal to be strong, assertive, confident, like, yeah, you might not know, but is it really that difficult? You want to just show your partner you love them? Like, I’m pretty confident. Most partners do feel that way, want to do that. So let’s just give it voice, give it power, give it form. Give it texture, give it touch, give it like, give out all the elements to kind of give the partner push past Ms. Trust so they can take it in and really experience something different.
Laurie Watson [00:14:39]:
Right? Okay. Okay. So Janie will come back and Janie’s gonna ask for what she needs.
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What happens if Janie don’t come back?
Laurie Watson [00:14:54]:
That would be bad.
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Laurie Watson [00:17:12]:
Janie, I gotta say, a lot of reluctance here. I know I’m an emotional pursuer, I guess, and I love talking deep and I love talking about emotions and all of that. But I gotta say, this challenge to talk about myself is just. It’s so hard, you know, I’m so used to coming at you and wanting to change you and all those things, and it’s. It’s so hard because I guess underneath there’s are these needs and these wants and these feelings of myself that, you know, I. I worry about. The reaction that I get from you is really, I guess, just being about my not being good enough. And it’s such a struggle to even stay in this place because it feels so weak, you know, I just feel so weak saying this to you.
Laurie Watson [00:18:06]:
I almost feel like. Like my arms just died. I have no strength. And I. You know, and this. It’s just this bad place that, you know, when you’re turning away, what I say on the inside is like, I’m boring. I’m kind of nothing. I’m kind of worth nothing.
Laurie Watson [00:18:31]:
And that’s why I get that reaction from you or what I got from my parents is just like, I’m nothing. I literally just feel like I disappear. Like, I melt into the air and I’m not even there. And it just feels so bad and it feels so weak. I don’t even know, like, telling you this feels bad.
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Yeah, no, I can relate. I mean, it’s what I’ve always done. I just tried to avoid these places and, I mean, you really helped me see a better way of doing that. That, like, I don’t have to face these fears alone. That, you know, you might not have the perfect words, but you can just hold me in these places. And it made such a difference. I mean, I. I know I’ve always been receptive to these conversations, but I.
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I find that place growing in me. Like, I do want to know who you are.
Laurie Watson [00:19:23]:
Right.
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I want to come closer to you here. I want to give to you what you’ve given me. So. I know it’s hard, but, you know, I don’t want you to be alone in these places. And I think we can figure it out.
Laurie Watson [00:19:36]:
Thank you. I appreciate that. I. I appreciate you having seen that I tried really hard for you and that you want to love me, too. And. And that’s reassuring. It is. It’s still a tough place, you know?
Advertisement Speaker [00:19:53]:
So what do you think that place needs? When you say I feel like nothing, like, yeah, how can I show You. That you. You’re not nothing.
Laurie Watson [00:20:03]:
Yeah. I think I need to be important. Important to you? That I am something. Like, I may not mean anything to anybody else, but I’m really important to you. That’s what I need.
Advertisement Speaker [00:20:22]:
Mm. Well, you are super important to me. And I know I haven’t shown you that, and kind of a lot of times when you’ve needed it, but I can show you that now. I mean, my heart has no doubts that you’re important. I wouldn’t be having this conversation because I want to. How can. I mean, I could write a poem about you. I could.
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You know, I’ll read a book. I’ll do whatever I need to, because, again, you are so important to me here, you know, and there’s no doubt. I mean, I wish you could just read what’s on my heart, like, and to see how confident it is in that. Like, there’s no one more important than you. And I’m sorry you face these fears all the time by yourself, and I feel privileged that you’re letting me in, because I know how brave it is. I mean, I know there’s lots of you that knows you’re important in other areas, but in these places where you doubt it and you feel nothing, it crushes me that you are always left alone, and I’ve left you alone there. But I’m going to change that. I mean, I’m here.
Laurie Watson [00:21:25]:
That feels good, too. Just being with me. It’s like I feel like I’m somehow or another tethered to the earth again. Tethered to you. When you say I’m here with you, that feels really good.
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That feels great for me to hear. Instead of being nothing and drifting into the darkness, to feel tethered, because that’s what it feels like. I got you. You’re not going. You’re not drifting. I can show you you’re important. That’s easy for me. I haven’t known how to do that, but, like, I can do that.
Laurie Watson [00:22:01]:
Yeah. I feel like I’m like the invisible woman coming back into flesh, you know? Like, I feel warm again. Like I’m. I’m here. I’m not just Obliviated. Thank you.
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That’s so cool.
Laurie Watson [00:22:14]:
Thank you so much for listening to this. I do feel better. I definitely do need a hug.
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You got a hug?
Laurie Watson [00:22:24]:
Yeah.
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Let’s go for a fly somewhere.
Laurie Watson [00:22:28]:
Okay.
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Laurie Watson [00:22:30]:
Okay. So, I mean, obviously embodying that role play, I’d just like to share what I experienced. You know, I. You know, whenever we do role plays There’s a little bit of ourselves in it, of course. And, you know, I. I began to experience that, that weakness and that melting into nothing that she was going through, you know, and just like, almost like, you know, it’s kind of like dying, right? You don’t exist. You don’t exist for the other. And it’s this cold place, this weak place, and, you know, you just feel so nothing.
Laurie Watson [00:23:08]:
And then it was true. George I just kind of sat there, like, I started that role play. I’m like, I don’t know if I’m going to know what to ask for. I really don’t know. And so I let the weakness kind of take over. Like, what would it be? Like, what do I need to, you know, to exist again? And if I’m nothing, then I need to be something to my partner. And, you know, those words just do kind of come to you, which was really magical, sort of like, to find in this, even in the role play, the, you know, the experience of what the need is, that would make it feel better. So I really want to encourage our listeners, like, to stay in the body, listen to the body.
Laurie Watson [00:23:47]:
What is it saying? What do you need to do it? And then it was like this kind of molecules gathering together to be more solid. When Joey kept affirming his love for me, wanting to be there, saying, he was. He was here. That was really powerful for me.
Advertisement Speaker [00:24:05]:
That’s beautiful. I love how it. You call it magic. I mean, has the wisdom of our emotions if we’re just going to listen to them. And for me, as the emotional withdrawer, like, I can feel this shift from, like, I just want to survive this conversation and not say the wrong thing, to seeing the opportunity of, like, wait a second, like, I got this. Like, you know what? She’s struggling. Like, I struggle. Like, and she don’t have words.
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Like, I don’t have words. But all I got to do is show up for her. Like, I can do this. Like, I. I felt my. My grounding my strength in the conversation, and I felt like, I mean, that’s the cool part about these moments. It’s a corrective emotional experience for both partners. Not only does the pursuer receive love when they’re usually rejected and dropped, but the withdrawer gets to be the one who delivers that love.
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You’re never going to get it more right than in those moments. So it’s so good to feel an emotional conversation instead of the typical hesitant, cautious mindfield kind of me having this person that’s like, I got this. We can do this.
Laurie Watson [00:25:09]:
This is so confident. Yeah, it’s. It’s so much more confident. Like, as he was talking about, you could feel it, you know, like he trusted himself to, you know, help, to help her.
Advertisement Speaker [00:25:22]:
And I wouldn’t have been able to do that if I had not experience receiving love in these same places that now Lori’s asking for. Right. I. Both of us have received love when times are going good and it’s easy, but it’s in a negative cycle. Both partners get left alone in some really bad places. So the wisdom of really secure attachment is listening to those places so you can learn to get love there too. And then, like, the world’s a much safer place. So I.
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I was accessing that, like, felt sense of Lori giving me the gift and how that changed how I felt about myself. And like, if that’s all I got to give back is just show up and engage and be present. Like, I do got confidence that I have that and like. So, yeah, that was pretty cool for me.
Laurie Watson [00:26:10]:
Yeah, for you too. That just in the role play, the emotions that accompany. I like what you said. You know, first I’m in this. I gotta survive this place which, this conversation which I think so many withdrawers, that’s exactly what they would say. I just gotta survive this. And. But then the sense of your own confidence that not only could you survive it, but you could help and you could heal, and then that makes you feel good, makes you feel powerful, right? Because I think so many withdrawers go into that sense of, I’m powerless to change anything here, there’s nothing I can do that will make it better, you know, And.
Laurie Watson [00:26:47]:
But suddenly you’re like, oh, I can.
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Make it better and you really need my power, right? You really don’t. This is not the time for me to hesitate and say, well, I’m not really sure. I don’t know if I can give you that. This might be too much. Like, it’s all that anxiety that becomes about me. And then, you know, she’s already in an anxious place and we miss each other and that might happen and then you could repair that. But we want to give you a clear image of what it looks like when it’s working. Like, Janie needs my love to be stronger than hers in that moment, right? Because she’s always left alone.
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Laurie Watson [00:28:42]:
And that, that came through. That was really. It really came through. Like. And you know, I just noticed too, for an emotional withdrawal, so many words, you know, he just kept saying it, kept saying it. And even it wasn’t just the intention. I’m gonna come through. He was coming through, you know, because he, he kept doing it.
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Laurie Watson [00:29:25]:
Yeah, I mean, it. My body warmed up. Yeah. I felt tethered to the earth again instead of, you know, scattered into all the molecules of the air. It was like, you know, kind of coming back and, and warmth in my whole body. Just like I was becoming alive. Right? Becoming alive, you know, from that cold nothingness that’s kind of a deadness into life again.
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I hope people get excited about that. I mean, it is such a different world when you go from feeling every fight could lead me to feeling nothing and disappearing to. In that moment of greatest need, I actually could ask for help and trust my partner would show up. I mean, that, that is my wish. For everyone on this planet. It’s why we do what we do. I mean, every conversation looks differently, but it’s really cool to have a app to really kind of lead people into these conversations where they can receive love where they need it the most. And it just.
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Laurie Watson [00:30:35]:
So true and right. Just to end, you know, Joey’s confidence. She’s an emotional pursuer, but probably a sexual withdrawer, and his confidence is pretty sexy. So it’s going to be a win, win, win, win. Okay.
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So some of you are interested in our work. We want to tell you where we are, what we’re doing.
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In January 23rd to 25th, we’re coming to Nashville in person to do three days of really kind of breaking down this process. And again, I think this should be mandatory for all therapists to just kind of have more confidence in knowing what to do and work with Sexual cycle.
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Yeah, we’ve already had lots of signups for that. By the way, George, people are also taking advantage of that early bird special. You know, we want supervisors to come. We’re giving half off to the supervisors. So please join us so that we can kind of get on the same page and understand and develop eft further. There’s going to be two days of lecture and exercises, and then a day maybe with a live and, you know, working on your tapes and your stuck places, and we’re going to go down to the honky Tonk and have dinner together and have some fun.
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