In this episode, we explore the psychological and emotional effects of the ongoing Ukraine conflict on sexual intimacy for both those directly affected by the war and those living in its shadow. George recently visited Ukraine and heard first hand the issues couples are experiencing, thus inspiring today’s show. Join us as we delve into some challenges couples face in war-torn regions and the sexual discrepancies that can arise during times of unrest.
Laurie and George examine the emotional toll the war has taken on intimacy, from changes in desire and communication to the impacts of PTSD, stress, and grief on partners. While war in other parts of the world might seem distant for some of our listeners, we are all touched by global conflicts, traumatic events, natural disasters or even careers as first responders.
Here we consider how partners navigate physical and emotional closeness when faced with uncertainty, loss, and fear. The episode offers great insights on ways couples and individuals can navigate intimacy in challenging times, with expert advice on maintaining connection and emotional support in the face of ongoing trauma and instability. The power of connection and relationship can create resiliency during difficult times and this episode asks the question: does sex still matter while there is a war going on?
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Transcript
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George Faller [00:01:37]:
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Laurie Watson [00:01:42]:
Welcome to Foreplay sex therapy. I’m Dr. Lori Watson, your sex therapist.
George Faller [00:01:46]:
And I’m George Fowler, your couples therapist.
Laurie Watson [00:01:49]:
We are here to talk about sex.
George Faller [00:01:51]:
Our mission is to help couples talk about sex in ways that incorporate their body, their mind and their hearts.
Laurie Watson [00:01:59]:
And we have a little bit of fun doing it right G Listen and.
George Faller [00:02:02]:
Let’S change some relationships. We got our friends in the Ukraine reaching out Lori asking for some help. We got a lot of soldiers, a lot of issues, a lot of trauma, how that impacts their relationship, especially sexually.
Laurie Watson [00:02:16]:
Yeah, lots of therapist friends actually all over the world, right. Who? We’re kind of apolitical here at Foreplay, but we are just glad to help therapists wherever they are in the world and dealing with couples and sexual issues. Because no matter what’s going on in the world, we think love helps.
George Faller [00:02:35]:
That’s the mission here, right so it’s nice to have traveled. I mean, I’ve been to Moscow. So many amazing people, you know, in the Russian community. I just traveled. Got back from Ukraine, and I was at a conference there, and, you know, just amazing to see the resiliency of the people who are, you know, doing the best they can. And, you know, our job as therapists is to be a bridge builder, right? Try to hold opposite truths so you can bring people into places where they can repair. And we might not be capable. You know, we could travel over to Israel and, you know, you got the Jews and the Palestinians go across the world in the U.S.
George Faller [00:03:13]:
democrats, Republican. I mean, people have good reasons for their positions. You know, I think there’s more that unites us than actually separates us. But you got to meet people where there are, right? Which is in that kind of really defensive place. So what happens with a couple isn’t so different than what happens between countries.
Laurie Watson [00:03:31]:
Yeah, so true. I. I read something recently. I think it was on Twitter. My son forwarded it to me, and he said, you know, from a galactic position, all this warring in the world doesn’t make sense. Like when. When you’re looking from outer space, like, what are these people doing killing each other? It’s so crazy. You know, there’s gotta be a way.
Laurie Watson [00:03:49]:
And so we pray for peace. We pray for the people that we know that are suffering in so many countries and I guess at home, too, right? The way we are divided and struggling to understand each other, and we hope for that in our country. And we want to speak to the hearts of couples here as well. So what’s the sexual issues that you have seen and are dealing with in the Ukraine? What are people dealing with there? I’m sure it’s fairly universal.
George Faller [00:04:22]:
Yes, it is fairly universal. It’s just coming, you know, from the country that’s currently in a prolonged war that’s creating a lot of distress in families and relationships. So they sent a couple of questions. The first one I will talk about is they talk about discrepancy. How do you work with a couple sexually? Mismatch, right? When they come back together, and there’s a lot of distance and emotional kind of, and the wife is more hesitant and exhausted, and, you know, the husband. This is the way they connect, right? So they want to kind of come home, let’s jump in bed together, and, you know, it creates this. This. This mess that we talk a lot about in the.
George Faller [00:05:05]:
In the sexual cycle.
Laurie Watson [00:05:07]:
So we’re really talking about a homecoming situation. When a soldier who’s been away, is coming home, wanting to maybe get lost in bed, forget about everything. And maybe the woman has held down the fort and dealt with her life during all of this. And I mean, really, first of all, I would say both of them are traumatized, you know, by war. And maybe one has a way that says this is, this is the way that we reclaim us, you know, that we get back to us. And I know that that is so true for so many men that they do want intimate sex. I would also say sometimes post war, the homecoming issue, actually the soldier has been traumatized and 70% of soldiers who have PTSD and PTSD impacts sex and, and oftentimes actually with low libido or more commonly like sex that is kind of wooden and mechanical, right. That they want to get off, they want to have an orgasm, they want to get to sleep, but they’re not necessarily able to drop that vigilance that they’ve been having as a soldier to stay aware of their surroundings.
Laurie Watson [00:06:29]:
They can’t get into that flow state where they, you know, can feel intimate with their partner. And so sometimes that can be the block, right. That the soldier returning is really caught up in something like, let’s just do it for stress relief. And maybe the person at home is, yes, they, they’re exhausted and stuff, but they’re craving that understanding and connection and intimacy because their partner has been gone. And usually woman at home. You know, we know women need emotional connection often before they have, you know, sexual desire. And so that could be one part of the block. Do you think, George?
George Faller [00:07:08]:
Yeah, I think it’s normalizing the setup here. Right. He has high libido, she has low libido for really good reasons. And no one’s doing anything wrong. And it creates this pattern where they both lose. Right. So just being able to name that, I think is. Is an important first step.
George Faller [00:07:24]:
He’s not wrong because he wants sex. Right? She’s not wrong when she’s not feeling safe, she’s not feeling connected and her body doesn’t want to respond. Like, I think both partners getting each other’s position and not pathologizing, that is a really good start.
Laurie Watson [00:07:39]:
So true. So true. So how do we help?
George Faller [00:07:43]:
That’s where the psychoed is, I think important just to normalize positions, help them see how it creates a negative pattern, how they’re both needed to do something differently. And you already started to talk about he’s going to need to be more emotional. If she’s going to feel safe, she needs to not pathologize what he’s trying to do and see the health and the beauty and what he’s trying to do.
Laurie Watson [00:08:04]:
And I just think the unique position in a war torn country is that, you know, if you’re a soldier, it’s not really good to be emotional. Right. You talk about this all the time as a first responder, that you got to turn off fear, you got to turn off emotions sometimes to do your job. And that’s adaptable and that’s important. But then when you’re coming home and your partner wants to, you know, talk about all this emotional stuff, it’s like, oh, I don’t know if that’s going to work so well.
George Faller [00:08:36]:
Yeah, I mean, the timing is important and if you’re coming back just for a little break, you got to go back to war. It’s probably not the best time to kind of open yourself up emotionally. Right when the war is over, it’s a different. But you know, these soldiers get so much training to turn off feelings. They don’t get a lot of training to turn it on, but at least they could take ownership for that. They can see that their partner, their wife left behind is not crazy because they’re not feeling safe. They’re not connected. Like, that’s what happens when you’re in relationship with somebody who can emotionally engage.
George Faller [00:09:07]:
And it’s not your fault you’re not emotionally engaged. I think just the permission piece, you know, that’s the psyched that therapists can give. That really starts to discharge some of the energy of these kind of really reactive positions like we talked about at the start of this.
Laurie Watson [00:09:21]:
I mean, what would it be like, right, if the homecoming soldier says, look at, I know what you need. I know you need my heart. I know you need that to feel safe. And right now I gotta keep that boxed up. I gotta keep that locked away because I gotta go back out there. But I need you. I need your body. I need to feel safe at home inside you.
Laurie Watson [00:09:47]:
Like, wouldn’t that be a turn on to, to even acknowledge that?
George Faller [00:09:53]:
Yeah, that’s great. I mean, there’s some emotional sharing that’s happening, right? There’s some awareness that says, you know, this is where I’m at, this is my capacity. And I know that’s not great for you and it’s not great for me, but this is what we got to do to survive. Yeah, but it’s still addressing that when.
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See terms at Venmo Me stash terms. All right, well, which brings us to the next question. Right Again, which makes it so stressful for the wives is how the men show up. Tend to be very physically based and not emotional. So they’re going to be focused on porno sex and like hot stuff and like not a lot of kissing and cuddling. Right. They’re probably going to be more coarse. They’re probably going to use, you know, more provocative language.
George Faller [00:12:21]:
You know, they’re, they’ve been in this angry kind of phase. They’re going to have more expressions of anger and aggression in the sex itself. You know, they’re pornography, masturbation, things that they’ve needed to kind of survive to separation. Like all of that stuff is now being brought into the bedroom, right. Which is pretty shocking for the person who, you know, hey, I let my, my partner left and we had this romantic loving lifestyle. Now who’s this guy coming back that, you know, doesn’t want to kiss me, wants to bend me over and, you know, call me names and I don’t feel so great. Right. And I, again, I think this is just to normalize in that we’re trying to prepare couples for.
Laurie Watson [00:13:01]:
Yeah, exactly. I think in part. One of the things I imagine about that is that the loving tenderness of intimate sex feels very foreign to people who are in war and who are soldiers and maybe just on leave and on break. And it’s almost like I don’t want to bring all of what I’ve been enduring all of this ick. Right of. I mean, you’re out there, you have to kill other humans. And that’s an injury to our psyche. And it’s like bringing that in and sort of coping with that when you got to go back out again, it’s just almost too much.
Laurie Watson [00:13:46]:
So I think that when you project into sex this like, let’s just make it physical, let’s make it hot, let’s make it, you know, something, you know, that is of the body. Because I can’t at this point integrate my experiences that I’m having in war with our home life. You know, it’s like I want it to be other. It’s almost like I don’t want to have this part of my war experience intrude on what we have at home. And so if I can just externalize this and think it’s just about sex, it actually makes it more free for him, you know, I can get release in my body, you know. But again, obviously for her, she’s like aching for the arms of her lover, her husband. And you know, I know what it’s like to be a woman. I gotta pour out my day just to my husband on everyday basis, let alone if he’s been, you know, gone for six months.
Laurie Watson [00:14:46]:
All the things I want to pour out and it’s like, what, you want me to act like a porn star? I. This is not where I’ve been living there. It’s just so painful, I think, to like what? This isn’t who we are. Right. Her shock and fear about what this might mean and how they have changed that now it makes it worse because she’s got to survive again for another six months with all that in her brain.
George Faller [00:15:11]:
Yeah, I like that. You’re just trying to get them both to share clearer signals, like for the, for the soldier to say this is my reality. This is why I want this. And I don’t want what you’re used to us doing with each other, which is more emotional and romantic. I also love that you’re honoring this training that’s trying to. They’re doing what they always do. They’re taking space to feel safer. Right.
George Faller [00:15:35]:
I’m not going to give you my heart. I’m not going to let my guard down because I know what I’m going to have to do in a couple more weeks.
Laurie Watson [00:15:40]:
Yeah.
George Faller [00:15:41]:
I do think there is. After we connect and honor that. There’s a gentle challenge in that could happen. Right. Which is. It don’t have to be either or. You can have both. You can have a little bit more flexibility.
George Faller [00:15:53]:
You know, you can allow yourself to touch the part of you that you know wants your wife and more than just a physical way or in that kind of erotic way. I do think that the emotional piece coming online is important and we can do both. I mean, you. You can come home and, you know, kiss your wife and that. Not to lower your walls where you’re going to be at risk when you go back downrange to war. Right. And. And I think it’s that balance that a lot of the soldiers don’t want to face because they’re just so used to doing it, you know, with a wall up that they don’t.
George Faller [00:16:29]:
They don’t get a lot of practice kind of lowering. For me, it’s always like a dimmer switch. It’s like, you know, it’s not on and off. You can actually have a little bit more control over this than you think. But to do that, you’re going to have to kind of face your own kind of emotions, which is something you’ve been trying not to do this whole time in war. So let’s come back and we’ll talk more about this.
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Laurie Watson [00:18:42]:
And so maybe she can dial it up just a tiny bit, you know, not take it quite as personally, that it isn’t an insult or that she hasn’t been enough in the past or, you know, that the porn star kind of sucks is about his split, right? He has to kind of split off emotions and body for just a little bit longer to survive. So maybe she can come up just a tiny bit and go, okay, you know, let’s just do it. Let’s just. Let’s just drop down and do it for a little bit.
George Faller [00:19:14]:
I guarantee, if she comes out with the handcuffs and says, hey, you can use these on me. Just make sure afterwards we’re going to cuddle up together. Like that said, you start to bridge these two different worlds, right? I agree. Stretch yourself. I mean, so many women feel used, they’re just a body. But that’s not actually what the, the, the soldiers trying to do, right? The soldiers just trying to get back into intimacy, right. They don’t really know how to do it. They’ve had to turn this part of themselves off, right? So they just need a kind of a doorway in.
George Faller [00:19:47]:
And this is the doorway. And it’s usually afterwards that they’re going to be the most emotional, right. In the afterglow period. Right. So I do think it’s the timing thing. If the wife could say, right, right now, they just don’t have the capacity. But if I can, we have skin to skin contact. We could do some things that seem fun and yeah, it might be a little bit uncomfortable afterwards.
George Faller [00:20:05]:
You know, after an orgasm when that oxytocin is flowing, that’s actually the best place to start making gains emotionally.
Laurie Watson [00:20:13]:
Yeah. And I, I will just say, right, Traumatic brain injury and PTSD, 70% of those enduring that have sexual dysfunction, that is low libido. So sometimes the woman is at home thinking, we’re going to have a reunion of crazy sex or any sex or just lovemaking, and their partner comes home, the soldier comes home, doesn’t want sex. And that can be a shock. And like, what does this mean? Do you not love me anymore? And it really is having to do with post traumatic stress or traumatic brain injury that can be a real problem. And I think talking about that, you know, like, okay, we’re going to recover, you know, like hanging on to hope. We’re going to recover and it’s going to be a little bit longer than the two week leave, you know, and it might, it might take some help, but just realizing again, it’s not personalized. It’s having to do with the trauma of war that your soldier is enduring.
Laurie Watson [00:21:12]:
And you know, as a woman, I just want to speak to you. I, you know, I have dealt with women who are in war torn countries and they’re holding down the fort and I just know what it’s like, right, to be sensitive to, you know, oh my God, there’s bombs going off, my children are at risk, I am at risk. You know, the terror of what you’re going through deserves to be held to. And I can imagine if you’re a woman who wants to be made love to and that doesn’t happen, how painful that is going to be. And I just want to say, you know, I think that over time there is healing, there is healing between you and your partner. And, you know, you can get through this. I just want to give encouragement. I can imagine what that’s like.
Laurie Watson [00:21:58]:
As a woman who I do find sex so deeply, deeply connecting and reassuring to me. So that could be also another way. It’s not always the soldier coming home who wants it, right? There are sometimes really good reasons he doesn’t want it.
George Faller [00:22:15]:
That’s the good reason why, you know, it’s helpful to have a map. It gets kind of chaotic with all the noise of war and drama and, you know, deployments and separations and reunions and chaos. But again, they’re. Humans have limited ways of Dealing with disconnection and connection. Right. So we’re all in this mess together. So really just trying to help both partners. You’re.
George Faller [00:22:38]:
You’re so right. A lot of men, they’ve gotten used to masturbating and, you know, whatever they’re doing to survive, you know, they are emotionally disconnected. There can be a threat to connecting again in a vulnerable way to let your guard down. And we know pressure doesn’t do well for men to perform. So a lot of men are coming back into the bedroom with a load of pressure on them. They know what their partner’s expecting and, you know, so it can go the other direction too. Right. These problems in a bedroom are pretty predictable when you deal with the stress of war.
George Faller [00:23:10]:
So I think it’s also helpful to try to help couples break it down. Like pre deployment. What can they do to kind of hold on to the emotional bond, strengthen it for this disconnect that’s happening? What are the things they can do during war that still continue to feed the emotional bond? Maybe they don’t have the physical time together, but there are things that they can do to just kind of remind each other how important they are and then the reconnection after deployment. Right. Which is so. So many of these questions about how do you get people who’ve been changed by the. By the time apart to come back together and rediscover each other and kind of get back into this state even though both partners have been changed. Right.
George Faller [00:23:51]:
Those are all challenges that military families face that a lot of times regular people don’t, that, you know, those. Those built in disconnections.
Laurie Watson [00:24:01]:
Right. And we know that. Right. We know that the trauma of war, of, you know, what first responders face, it is traumatizing. It does change them, and it changes them everywhere, you know, and it changes their sexual experience. And I would just say it’s going to take healing, and I would love to say it’s going to be quick, but it’s not. I don’t have a quick fix for this, but I do have a heart that says, you know, in my bones, I know that it can be healed and that you can be stronger after trauma. I mean, it is possible.
Laurie Watson [00:24:36]:
So I want people to hang on to that. I just imagine, you know, I’m kind of an anxious person. If my partner were at war, and even where I was at was relatively safe, which, I don’t know, anywhere in the Ukraine is relatively safe, you know, it would be hard. I kind of imagine maybe, you know, every day at noon, I’m going to be thinking of you. I’ll be praying for you. Please know that I’m, you know, you’re on my mind and on my heart time of day, you know, something that says no matter what’s going on in the world, this is our moment. You know, we’re going to connect in our spirits or something.
George Faller [00:25:15]:
Yeah. Those are the little moments that continue to remind both partners that this bond is alive and it’s still important and we’re still investing in it. Right. We’re not forgetting about it. This is. I can feel your heart. And, you know, I share that with, you know, my passion for helping people who are sacrificing so much on both ends. Right.
George Faller [00:25:37]:
And it sets up a withdrawal, withdrawal dynamics. Right. To survive, both people have to shut down. Both people have to, you know, embrace that defensiveness of a wall. So they’re more challenged when they come back together. Right. Because they’ve had all this, this, this need to kind of turn off their, their feelings, which is why they need help turning their feelings back on. I mean, there’s no way you’re going to have the trauma in the separation and not have those low road, kind of vulnerable conversations at some point.
George Faller [00:26:09]:
I mean, those are absolutely necessary to lower those walls. Right. And a lot of people don’t feel that they don’t get the help they need. Right. A lot of us don’t grow up in families knowing how to talk this way. We’re not going to get that in military training on how to express our vulnerabilities. We won’t even use the word vulnerability. I’ll use the word being more authentic, just be more real, send clearer signals.
George Faller [00:26:30]:
But at some point, when the timing is right, that soldier coming home is going to have to let their guard down a little bit and kind of expose that humanity that’s, you know, been impacted. And this is the biggest thing that’s happened in their life. And I saw this with me in 9, 11. It’s like I’m trained not to talk about any of my wife. And my wife doesn’t want to ask me questions because she don’t want to burden me. But if both of us experience the biggest thing in our lives and we can’t talk about it with each other, how could that not create more distance? And when there’s more distance, there’s more mistrust. And when there’s more mistrust, there’s more defensiveness. And like, that’s the setup for any couple that’s going to be dealing with a lot of Distance.
George Faller [00:27:11]:
So I think just normalizing that, but also saying, hey, there’s a plan when the timing is right. We’re not pushing you to do this, but at some point you’re going to have to talk about this with each other. There’s no way around that. If you want to strengthen that emotional bond, right.
Laurie Watson [00:27:25]:
And those short homecomings, right. There might not be enough time. And then the disappointment, you know, creates irritability. I can imagine so many people on homecoming like couples getting into fights because, you know, there’s so much pressure on those that leave time, you know, because. And there’s so much disappointment because there’s not enough time to heal it. But. But there will be time. And I think what you’re saying, having faced this yourself, right, that you know that at some point people need to talk about it.
Laurie Watson [00:27:57]:
They can talk about it and they can have some help. We’re helping therapists over there help them talk about it. You know, and it’s, it’s not an easy process. It’s a slow process.
George Faller [00:28:07]:
And a lot of the soldiers are afraid of talking about it because it makes you then relive it. But it’s the avoidance of it that keeps them cut off from those parts of themselves. And listen, you don’t have to get into the details. I don’t have to tell my wife about dead bodies or anything else, but to just talk about the feelings that you had, you know, the helplessness, the not knowing, the fear of what could happen, you know, the sadness of losing people you love like these, your partner can relate to these. And you could actually experience the power of CO regulation in these places. I mean, I think that’s the thing. Both partners are being forced into self regulation. They have to deal with their feelings on their own to survive.
George Faller [00:28:46]:
And that’s so adaptive, you know, when you’re in, in battle. But why settle for self regulation at home when you have a partner that can co regulate with you? Co regulation is 20 times more powerful than self regulation. And yet so many soldiers and their partner don’t know how to harness the power of it. And they just continue to just survive on the self regulation.
Laurie Watson [00:29:07]:
Yeah. And I think one of the reasons that I just heard you say is the soldier is trying to protect their partner. Right. They don’t want to tell them the gory details and they don’t want to burden them. And maybe the person at home doesn’t want to say, you know, look at our teenager is going crazy here, you know, maybe they don’t want to say what they’re facing either. They’re both protecting them themselves. But talking about it just as an emotion is a pathway through, you know, saying, this is what I’m feeling about it. Not necessarily the gory details.
Laurie Watson [00:29:38]:
I’m feeling out of control about our teenager right now. You know, they’re, they’re going out at night. I can’t stop that or whatever it is, you know, I, I’m feeling powerless. What I’ve seen makes me feel so sad. I, you know, I’m overwhelmed with loss. All of those things can be shared and they’re human. And your partner can comfort you.
George Faller [00:30:00]:
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George Faller [00:30:31]:
And Minute Maid. Zero sugar sells itself. Great taste, zero sugar sells itself. Exactly. And again, be careful with the words. We don’t need big words, big emotional words. Instead of said, we can just say, yeah, I feel a bit down, you know, and instead of being afraid, I feel a bit like I’m not sure what to do or I can’t anticipate the future. I mean, we want to use safer words that kind of meet these soldiers where they’re at, Right.
George Faller [00:31:02]:
They’re not ready for these big vulnerable words and that’s okay, but, you know, just any success with co regulation. So again, if I’m a soldier and I say, yeah, I just don’t know what to do. Like, that’s a pretty hard feeling most areas of your life, you know what to do. So, like just, just take that. Like, yeah, tap into what it’s like for yourself as a partner that doesn’t know what to do. Like, we like control. Nobody likes that feeling. So just to be able to say, yeah, thank you for sharing me.
George Faller [00:31:29]:
And I know that’s hard. You know, your life’s on the line and you don’t know what to do. That’s, that’s, that’s a really tough place. Thank you for sharing that. Like, just that, that, you know, bite size, like little kind of little examples of success. You’re building an island of security one little piece at a time. One little piece. Resist the urge to want to have this one big conversation where everything gets put on the table.
George Faller [00:31:51]:
Right. That’s. That’s too overwhelming.
Laurie Watson [00:31:54]:
Too much, Too much.
George Faller [00:31:55]:
So it’s just trying to hydrate it. Right.
Laurie Watson [00:31:58]:
Short conversations.
George Faller [00:32:00]:
And the best conversation time is after sex.
Laurie Watson [00:32:03]:
Yeah. It is.
George Faller [00:32:04]:
Right in the afterglow period or before sex. And don’t believe just what the soldier’s doing. Right. Because they’re expressing themselves in defensive ways. Just focus on the physical. There’s a whole spiritual, emotional kind of being inside there that just doesn’t know how to come out.
Laurie Watson [00:32:23]:
Right.
George Faller [00:32:23]:
And they need safety, too. Right. Just like the partner at home needs safety. And again, that. That ability to have this conversation that we’re having now, I think goes a long way towards them getting. Finding more common ground. Because really, they’re both the same. They’re both on how to reconnect.
George Faller [00:32:39]:
They’re both scared. They’re both kind of anxious and unsure. And once they can tap into that common ground, they’re back in the space together.
Laurie Watson [00:32:49]:
Exactly. So thank you for your thoughts, therapists in all parts of the world and what you’re struggling with. It’s not easy. We don’t have all the answers. We know you’re in process with people and you’re giving yourselves away to people. We thank you for that, for the way that you are loving and healing the world. And we send our prayers for peace out into the world.
George Faller [00:33:14]:
Amen.
Laurie Watson [00:33:16]:
So some of you are interested in our work. We want to tell you where we are, what we’re doing.
George Faller [00:33:21]:
In January 23rd to 25th, we’re coming to Nashville in person to do three days of really kind of breaking down this process. And again, I think this should be mandatory for all therapists to just kind of have more confidence in knowing what to do and work with the sexual cycle.
Laurie Watson [00:33:36]:
Yeah, we’ve already had lots of signups for that. By the way, George, people are also taking advantage of that Early Bird special. You know, we want supervisors to come. We’re giving half off to the supervisors. So please join us so that we can kind of get on the same page and understand and develop EFT further. There’s going to be two days of lecture and exercises, and then a day maybe with a live and, you know, working on your tapes and your stuck places. And we’re gonna go down to the Honky Tonk and have dinner together and have some fun.
George Faller [00:34:10]:
Have some fun.
Laurie Watson [00:34:11]:
Have some fun. Yee haw.
George Faller [00:34:13]:
Yee haw. And for all you listeners, again, if you have a community and you want Laura and I to come out and give a specialized training on sex? And again, I think this is so important for anybody seeing couples. Then, you know, reach out to us and let’s continue to spread this message. Yeehaw. Call in your questions to the four play question. Voicemail. Dial 833-MY-4 PLAY. That’s 833-MY-THE- NUMBER-OUR PLAY and we’ll use the questions for our mailbag episodes.
George Faller [00:34:43]:
All content is for entertainment purposes only and should not be considered as a substitute for therapy by a licensed clinician or as medical advice from a doctor. This podcast podcast is copyrighted by Foreplay Media.
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